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THE "42 MONTHS" IN REVELATION

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by LittleLambofJesus, Jul 19, 2019.

  1. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git! Supporter

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    Coincidentally, I just did a post on that phrase if any are interested:

    1984. episkope ep-is-kop-ay' from 1980; inspection (for relief); by implication, superintendence; specially, the Christian "episcopate":--the office of a "bishop", bishoprick, visitation.

    Parousia in Olivet Discourse

    Luke 19:
    41 And as He nears, beholding the City, and He laments on Her, 42 saying, "That if Thou knew and Thou, even indeed in this day, the toward peace of Thee, now yet it was hid from Thy eyes.
    43 That shall be arriving<2240> days upon Thee, and Thy enemies shall be casting about<4016> a rampart/siege-work<5482> to Thee and shall be encompassing Thee, and pressing Thee from-every-side.
    44 And shall be leveling Thee and Thy offspring in Thee, and not shall be leaving stone upon stone in Thee, stead which not Thou knew the season/time of the visitation<1984> of Thee".
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    Luke 19:44 Biblehub Commentaries:

    Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers

    (44) And shall lay thee even with the ground.—See Note on Matthew 24:2. What is there said of the Temple, is here repeated of the city as a whole, and describes a general demolition of everything that could be demolished. So Josephus (Wars, viii. 1, § 1) describes the work as being done so effectively that, with the exception of one or two towers and part of the walls, the fortifications were so laid even with the ground that there was nothing left to make those that came thither believe that that part of the city had been inhabited.

    The time of thy visitation.—The phrase is not found in any other Gospel. The idea of “visitation” presents two aspects, one of pardon (Luke 1:68; Luke 1:78; Luke 7:16), the other of chastisement (1Peter 2:12). In both, however, the act of “visiting” implied looking after, caring for, and so a purpose of mercy. Modern usage—especially, perhaps, the common legal phrase of a man’s dying by the “visitation of God,” of sickness being “His visitation”—has given undue prominence to the latter thought. Here it appears to include both.
    The Christ had visited it first with a message of peace. Then came the discipline
    Expositor's Greek Testament

    Luke 19:44. ἐδαφιοῦσι: this verb (here only in N.T., Sept[155] several times) has both σε and τὰ τέκνα σ. for its objects and must have a meaning assigned to it suitable to each: (1) to raze to the ground—in reference to the city, (2) to dash to the ground—in reference to the children or population of the city.

    Here only in N.T., frequent in Sept[156]—τὸν καιρὸν τ. ἐπισκοπῆς σ., the season of thy gracious visitation.—ἐπισκοπή and its corresponding verb have this meaning in N.T. In Sept[157] it is a vox media and is used with reference to visitations both in mercy and in judgment.
    [155] Septuagint.
    [156] Septuagint.
    [157] Septuagint.

    Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges

    44. shall lay thee even with the ground] Titus, if we may trust Josephus, accomplished this prophecy wholly against his will, being driven to the utter subversion and destruction of the city, by the desperate obstinacy of the Jews. Sulpicius Severus (Hist. ii.), who is supposed to be here incorporating a fragment of Tacitus, says, “alii et Titus ipse evertendum templum in primis censebant quo plenius Judaeo- rum et Christianorum religio tolleretur.” Josephus says that it was so frightfully desolated by the siege, that any Jew coming suddenly upon it would have asked what place it was (Jos. B. J. vi. 1, §1). It was again laid waste in the rebellion under Barcochba.
    and thy children within thee] The siege began at the Passover, and hence it is said that nearly 3,000,000 Jews,were crowded into the city.
    shall not leave in thee one stone upon another] The subsequent attempt of the Jews to rebuild the Temple was frustrated by the outburst of subterranean fires. See Gibbon, ch. xxiii. 11. 309 (ed. Milman). Comp. Micah 3:12.
    of thy visitation] See Isaiah 29:2-4; Hosea 10:14-15. For the word ‘visitation’ see 1 Peter 2:12; Sir 18:20. The ‘visitation’ which they had neglected was one of mercy, Luke 1:68.
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    Luke 19:43 That shall be arriving<2240> days upon Thee, and Thy enemies shall be casting about<4016> a rampart/siege-work<5482> to Thee and shall be encompassing Thee, and pressing Thee from-every-side. [Revelation 8:8]
    Luke 21:
    20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded<2944> by armies<4760>, then know that its desolation has come near. 24 “And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. [Revelation 13:10] And Jerusalem will be trampled<3961> by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.” [Revelation 11:2]

    Revelation 18:
    8 Thru this in one day shall be arriving<2240> Her blows, death and sorrow and famine.
    And in fire She shall be utterly burned<2618>,that strong Lord the GOD, the One judging Her.

    The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD


    History records few events more generally interesting than the destruction of Jerusalem, and the subversion of the Jewish state, by the arms of the Romans. -- Their intimate connexion with the dissolution of the Levitical economy, and the establishment of Christianity in the world ; the striking verification which they afford of so many of the prophecies, both of the Old and New Testament, and the powerful arguments of the divine authority of the Scriptures which are thence derived ; the solemn warnings and admonitions which they hold out to all nations, but especially such as are favoured with the light and blessings of REVELATION ; together with the impressive and terrific grandeur of the events themselves -- are circumstances which must always insure to the subject of the following pages more than ordinary degrees of interest and importance. Many eminent and learned men have employed their pens in the illustration of it ;............
     
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  2. TribulationSigns

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    Your belief the "time of your visitation" was fulfilled in 70AD destruction with the physical destruction of Jersualem which is incorrect. You misapplied Luke 21 and Revelation 18 to 70AD Jersualem, while God talked about the fall of His New Testament Congregation that Jersualem symbolically represents of.
     
  3. LittleLambofJesus

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    In essence, there were 2 visitations mentioned in the Gospels and in Isaiah 61:2 in case you didn't notice. The NT congregation of Jews/Gentiles escaped the vengeance and wrath of 70 when they fled Judea...........

    "DAYS OF VENGEANCE" Isaiah 61:2 and Luke 21:22 Revelation
    Isaiah 61:2

    To proclaim the year of the good pleasure of Yahweh, And the day of vengeance<5359> of our 'Elohiym, To comfort all mourners.
    Luke 4:
    17 the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to Him. Unrolling it, He found the place where it was written: 21 and He began by saying,“Today this Scripture is fulfilled<4137> in your hearing.”
    Luke 21:
    22 That days of vengeance<1557> these are, of the to be fulfilled<4130> all the having been written

    Luke 19:44 Biblehub Commentaries:

    Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers

    (44) And shall lay thee even with the ground.—See Note on Matthew 24:2. What is there said of the Temple, is here repeated of the city as a whole, and describes a general demolition of everything that could be demolished. So Josephus (Wars, viii. 1, § 1) describes the work as being done so effectively that.................................

    The time of thy visitation.—The phrase is not found in any other Gospel. The idea of “visitation” presents two aspects, one of pardon (Luke 1:68; Luke 1:78; Luke 7:16), the other of chastisement (1Peter 2:12). In both, however, the act of “visiting” implied looking after, caring for, and so a purpose of mercy. Modern usage—especially, perhaps, the common legal phrase of a man’s dying by the “visitation of God,” of sickness being “His visitation”—has given undue prominence to the latter thought. Here it appears to include both.
    The Christ had visited it first with a message of peace. Then came the discipline/

    Expositor's Greek Testament

    Luke 19:44. ἐδαφιοῦσι: this verb (here only in N.T., Sept[155] several times) has both σε and τὰ τέκνα σ. for its objects and must have a meaning assigned to it suitable to each: (1) to raze to the ground—in reference to the city, (2) to dash to the ground—in reference to the children or population of the city.

    Here only in N.T., frequent in Sept[156]—τὸν καιρὸν τ. ἐπισκοπῆς σ., the season of thy gracious visitation.—ἐπισκοπή and its corresponding verb have this meaning in N.T. In Sept[157]
    it is a vox media and is used with reference to visitations both in mercy and in judgment.
    [155] Septuagint.
    [156] Septuagint.
    [157] Septuagint.

    https://www.preteristarchive.com/JewishWars/timeline_military.html
     
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  4. TribulationSigns

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    No, the Romans' destruction of Jersualem was not the wrath of God where the "new congregation of Jews and Gentiles" had fled from to start the new covenant church, blah, blah.

    The Old Testament congregation ALREADY FELL spiritually at the Cross and the New Testament church was anointed by the Holy Spirit and already started her great commission LONG BEFORE 70AD. They do not need to wait for the physical city of Jerusalem to be destroyed in order to go into the world.

    According to the writers of New Testament books, Paul and His churches were already established and expanded in Asia and Europe before 70AD.

    You got the event and timeline all wrong.
     
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  5. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git! Supporter

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    You and I will just have to disagree on that.

    Matthew 3:7
    But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them,
    Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the being about wrath<ὀργῆς<3709>?
    Luke 3:7
    Then he said to the multitudes that came out to be baptized by him,
    Brood of vipers! Who warned ye to flee from the being about wrath<ὀργῆς<3709>?

    Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized- Poll Thread

    Luke 21:23
    “But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!
    For there will be Great Distress in the land and wrath<ὀργὴ <3709> upon this people.

    Luke 23:
    27 Followed yet to Him a vast multitude of the people and of women were. And grieved and wailed over Him.
    28 Being turned yet toward them, Jesus said "Daughters of Jerusalem no be lamenting over Me, moreover for yourselves be-lamenting, and upon the children of ye.

    The Great City/Harlot/Queen Revelation chapts 17-19

    Revelation 6:
    16 - and they said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!
    17 - “For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”[/quote]
     
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