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Featured THE "42 MONTHS" IN REVELATION

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by LittleLambofJesus, Jul 19, 2019.

  1. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus PESKY DEVIL! GIT! l SAID GIT! Supporter

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    Were the events of the 42 months fulfilled, ongoing/present or still yet future or other?

    Luke 21:24 of the 70ad Jerusalem discourse uses the phrase "Jerusalem will be trampled":

    Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized- Poll Thread

    Luke 21:24
    And they shall be falling to mouth of sword, and shall be being led captive into all the nations/eqnh <1484>, and Jerusalem shall be being trampled/patoumenh <3961> (5746) under by nations/eqnwn <1484>, until which may be being filled times of nations/eqnwn <1484>
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    the phrase "42 months" used in only 2 verses of the NT
    Like Luke 21:24, the phrase "Holy City will be trampled":

    Revelation 11:1
    And was given to me a reed like a rod/staff, saying, `rouse! and measure!! the Sanctuary of God, and the altar, and those worshiping in him/it
    2 And the Court without of the Sanctuary, be Casting Out!! out-side, and thou mayest not be measuring her, that she was given to the Nations/eqnesin <1484>
    and the Holy City they shall be trampling/pathsousin <3961> (5692) forty two months

    Revelation 13:
    4 and they worship to the Dragon, that he gives the authority to the beast and they worship to the beast saying: "any/who like to the beast and who is able to battle with it".
    5 And was given to it a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and was given to it authority to do forty two months.
     
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  2. TribulationSigns

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    A question for you, Little Lamb, was the physical city of Jerusalem considered holy by God in 70AD despite after the Biblical fact that God rent the veil in the temple, (Mark 15:37–38) and that Christ already declared the city desolate when He spoke it, (Matthew 23:37-38).

    And I noticed that you still have not answered the questions concerning the context of Revelation 16.
     
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  4. gospels

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    The question is about "42 Months" in Revelation. This is the beast government that is yet to come when he is revealed. His reign will be for 3.5 years (which equals 42 months) during the tribulation period.

    a time (1 year), times (2 years) and half a time (1/2 year)
    1260 days using 30 days of a lunar month = 3 ½ years
     
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  6. LittleLambofJesus

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    Verses where the phrase "holy city" is used:
    It appears there is both an OC "earthly carnal" holy city and a NC "spiritual" holy city?...........

    Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon

    "holy city"
    occurs 10 times in 10 verses in the NKJV.

    New Testament:

    Mat 4:5
    Then the devil took Him up into the holy city, set Him on the pinnacle of the temple,
    Mat 27:53
    and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.

    Revelation 11
    2 And the Court without of the Sanctuary, be Casting Out!! out-side, and thou mayest not be measuring her, that she was given to the Nations/eqnesin <1484>
    and the Holy City they shall be trampling forty two months

    Rev 21:2
    Then I, John,[fn] saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
    Rev 22:19
    and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away[fn] his part from the Book[fn] of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
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    The Old Testament:

    Neh 11:1
    Now the leaders of the people dwelt at Jerusalem; the rest of the people cast lots to bring one out of ten to dwell in Jerusalem, the holy city, and nine-tenths were to dwell in other cities.
    Neh 11:18
    All the Levites in the holy city were two hundred and eighty-four.

    Isa 48:2
    For they call themselves after the holy city,
    And lean on the God of Israel;
    The LORD of hosts is His name:
    Isa 52:1
    Awake, awake!
    Put on your strength, O Zion;
    Put on your beautiful garments,
    O Jerusalem, the holy city!
    For the uncircumcised and the unclean
    Shall no longer come to you.

    Dan 9:24
    “Seventy weeks[fn] are determined
    For your people and for your holy city,
    To finish the transgression,
    To make an end of[fn] sins,
    To make reconciliation for iniquity,
    To bring in everlasting righteousness,
    To seal up vision and prophecy,
    And to anoint the Most Holy.
     
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  7. Douggg

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    @gospels,


    In Revelation, specifically, the 1260 days, the 42 months, the time, times, half times are not "exact" equivalents to each other. (I realize mathematically they are). Which is why there are three time expressions and not one, in Revelation.

    In terms of days, 1260 days + 3.5 days + 1256.5 days (the 42 months) = 2520 days, the 7 years.

    @LittleLambofJesus,

    The 42 months are future. But not the distant future. Within this current generation.
     
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  8. eleos1954

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    The total prophesy is (*1260*) ... (UPDATED POST) correction total prophesy is 2300 years (day = years principle)

    All time related prophesies have already happened. Study the book of Daniel with Revelation.
     
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  9. LittleLambofJesus

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    Hello Douggg. Every generation, [especially the Jews], for the past 20 or so generations has expected it to be within "this generation".
    What make you think our current generation is what was intended in the Olivet Discourse? Just asking.

    https://www.preteristarchive.com/PartialPreterism/index.html

    https://www.preteristarchive.com/PartialPreterism/scot-byron-kate_pp_01.html
    Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized- Poll Thread

    I would like to primarily focus on the phrase "this generation" that is used in the Bible.
    I want to post verses just from the Olivet Discourse and discuss them 1st.
    The phrase uses 3 greek words instead of 2:
    The generation, this-one.

    Luke 21

    7 They inquire yet of Him saying “Teacher!
    when then shall these be being?
    And what the sign whenever may be being about<3195> these to becoming<1096>?

    "THIS GENERATION" in Bible

    Matthew 24:34
    Amen I am saying to ye, not no may be passing-away the generation, this-one, till ever all these may be becoming.
    amhn legw umin ou mh parelqh h genea auth
    ewV an panta tauta genhtai

    Mark 13:30
    Amen I am saying to ye not no may be passing-away the generation, this-one unto of which any these all may be becoming
    amhn legw umin oti ou mh parelqh h genea auth
    mecriV ou panta tauta genhtai

    Luke 21:32
    “Amen I am saying to ye, not no may be passing-away the generation , this-one, till ever all things may be becoming.
    amhn legw umin oti ou mh parelqh h genea auth
    ewV an panta genhtai

    Which "generation" and what people is Jesus referring to in Olivet Discourse

    1. Just the Jews of the 1st Century
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    2. Both Jews and Gentiles of 1st century
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      13.0%
    3. Just the Gentiles in 1st century
      0 vote(s)
      0.0%
    4. The whole world
      3 vote(s)
      13.0%
    5. I am not sure but am willing to learn
      0 vote(s)
      0.0%
    6. Other [please explain]
      9 vote(s)
      39.1%
     
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  10. Douggg

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    By Jerusalem being the fig tree in the parable of the fig tree.

    As Jesus and the disciples were entering Jerusalem that last passover week, Jesus cursed the fig tree beside the road because it had no fruit, knowing that Jerusalem would reject Him to be their King.

    In 1967, Jerusalem came back into the hands of the Jews, marking the generation that will not pass away.

    1967 +70 years for a generation = 2037 minus the 7 years, would put the confirmation of the covenant before the end 2030 at the latest. Sometime between now and then.

    It appears to be so because of the participants of Gog/Magog are active in the middle east right now.

    What has to take place before Gog/Magog, however, is the ten king (leader) kingdom - which in my view is the EU. So there are some changes that are going to have to happen over there. A ten leader form of government with one leader overall - the little horn person.
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    Regarding your poll, part of Jesus's words are to look up when you see these things begin to happen for your redemption draws near is
    two fold in my opinion.

    One is for Christians presently alive, the redemption of the body - the rapture. The beginning of things to happen - was Jerusalem back in the hands of the Jews. So first and foremost, Jesus is speaking to Christians, the rapture.

    The other is for the Jews the nation of Israel - bringing all the Jews back to the land of Israel. In my discussions with the Jews, Judaism, at their Messiah Truth countermissionary site, they informed me that the final redemption in their eyes is the bringing all of the Jews back to Israel. The "final redemption" is the term they use, as being corporately applying to Israel.

    This bringing back of all the Jews is actually in Ezekiel 39:21-29, a very important passage because (prophecy-wise) it is Jesus Himself speaking in that text having returned to earth.

    Ezekiel 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.

    It is impossible to get the sequence of end time events, overall, out of order when considering Ezekiel 38-39, because it cannot be anyone but Jesus Himself speaking in Ezekiel 39:21-29.

    (once the ten EU leaders and the little horn are in place, we are here >) Gog/Magog, then the 7 years, then Armageddon at Jesus's return (Ezekiel 39:17-29).
     
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  11. LittleLambofJesus

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    Hello Douggg.....
    Here are a few discussion threads on those

    Did the 6 days war of 1967 Israel fulfill any Bible prophecies?
    1. Yes
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      25.0%
    2. *
      No
      2 vote(s)
      50.0%
    3. I am unsure
      1 vote(s)
      25.0%
    4. Other
      0 vote(s)
      0.0%

    Please visit my 70ad Olivet Discourse harmonized thread:

    Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized- Poll Thread
    All 3 show similar event:
    Matthew 24:32
    Yet from the fig-tree be ye learning! the parable:
    Whenever already its branch may be becoming tender, and the leaves may be sprouting<1631>,
    ye are knowing that nigh the summer
    Mark 13:28

    ‘Yet from the fig-tree, be ye learning the parable.
    When the branch of it tender may be becoming, and may be sprouting<1631> the leaves,
    ye are knowing that nigh is the summer
    Luke 21:

    29 And He told a parable to them. Be seeing the fig-tree and all the trees,
    30 whenever they should be budding<4261> already observing from yourselves
    ye are knowing thru that already nigh is the summer

    Matthew 24:32-34 the budding of the fig tree?
    Did event of Israel 1948 fulfill any Bible prophecy?
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      No
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      45.2%
    2. Yes
      35 vote(s)
      47.9%
    3. I don't know
      5 vote(s)
      6.8%
    4. Other
      0 vote(s)
      0.0%
     
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  12. Douggg

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    The 1260 days, the war in the second heaven time, and the time, times, half times in Revelation 12 total the 7 years.

    In Revelation 12, the 7 heads have their crowns, meaning King 7 has come to power before the 7 years begin.

    In Revelation 13, the 7 heads do not have their crowns, and one of the heads has been wounded but healed - meaning King 7 has been killed - ending the prophecy of the 7 kings of Revelation 17:10.

    But he continues the short space of 42 months as the beast of Revelation 17:11.

    10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
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    The first half of the seven years

    1260 days - Revelation 11:3, Revelation 12:6

    In the second half of the seven years
    the 3 1/2 days - Revelation 11:9-11
    the 42 months - Revelation 11:2, Revelation 13:5
    the time, times, half times - Revelation 12:14, Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7
     
  13. eleos1954

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    Well, I made a typo in my post, sorry ... and I'll go correct it ... the total time prophesy is 2300 days (2300 years) the others fall within that total time frame. (day=year principle)
     
  14. Douggg

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    2520 days (the 7 years) - 2300 days = on day 220 of the seven years, the animals sacrifices will resume.

    The animals sacrifices resume on day 220; in the middle of the week the Antichrist stops the sacrifices; on day 2520 Jesus returns to planet earth.
     
  15. TribulationSigns

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    Nice unbiblical mathematic gymnastics. Where does it say in Scripture that you can add, substrate, multiply or divide with numbers to get where you can build a doctrine upon when you think the animal sacrifice will resume. On the 220th day of "seven-year" theory? LOL. Seriously?! You need to learn to back your claim or interpretation up with Scripture. Can't you do that?!

    So you are looking for resume of physical animal sacrifice in Jersualem? I rest my case.
     
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    Its truly amazing what people come up with regarding interpreting Revelation etc. :confused:
     
  17. eleos1954

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    There is no reason to resume animal sacrifices at all ... Jesus was the final sacrifice for ALL.

    so, I'm assuming you believe the anti-christ is a Jewish man?

    IF ... and I do mean IF .... a Jewish man was to proclaim to be Messiah .... they (Orthodox Jews) would be looking at very strict criteria that person would need to meet (just as they expected Jesus to when He first came) ... they had some of their criteria wrong then .... and still do ... but even so .... there is not a man that could or will appear that could meet all their criteria.

    IF ... and I mean ... IF the Jewish temple were to be built ... the Lord will not enter it .... there will be no Shekhinah Glory

    and you are still ignoring what was put forth regarding man in His mortal form can not be in the presence of (see) God.

    Jesus has been glorified and when He returns ... He returns in His glorified form.

    John 16:14-15
    "He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you. "All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it to you.

    Matthew 25:31-46 - When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

    Matthew 16:27 - For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

    and so we will be glorified with Him at the 1st resurrection

    Colossians 3:4
    When Christ who is your life appears, then you also will appear with him in glory.
     
  18. Douggg

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    Yes.

    No man can see God without God making it possible, which He did by becoming the second Adam, and returning to the Father. The Way, the Truth, the Life is Jesus. By seeing Jesus, man can see God.

    On the other issue, the temple the Jews will built will be dedicated by them to the One True God. I agree the Shekhinah Glory will not be in.

    The desolation of that temple by the Antichrist, followed by the abomination of desolate image of him place there, means that there will be no worship and praise of the One True God by anyone in the forthcoming Jewish temple during that time.
    The 1st resurrection of the millennium period is for the martyred great tribulation saints. No rapture at that time.

    Differently, the rapture/resurrection of 1Thessalonians4:15-18, can happen "anytime" as long as it is before the beginning of the Day of Lord, which is triggered by the Antichrist going into the temple, sitting, claiming to be God.
     
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  19. Douggg

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    Luke 19:44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.

    Gog/Magog, then the 7 years, then Armageddon at Jesus's return. All in Ezekiel 38-39.

    Of those 7 years are the events of the 7 seals. Revelation 6-19 are the 7 years, made up in the segment components of 1260 days, 42 months, a time, times, half times.
     
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