Discussion That is to say, you are not god.

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… I presented the same scriptures and they were so carnally minded they called me a heretic? Christians! ...
So, being a Berean is considered carnally minded?
Making questionable conclusions by misusing scriptures to fit an agenda should be challenged. And no one should be surprised by objections to such behavior.
 
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I thought Paul was having an issue doing things he didn’t wanna do, that he knew not to do but found himself doing it anyway. How can I bring this all together to make sense?
Right. It doesn't make any sense.
The Apostle was indeed speaking of himself, despite what we are being fed here.
 
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So you openly admit to promoting salvation by works? (self-effort requirement)

What I posted.
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From post #21
Salvation by works. (false gospel)

I quote James.
 
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How does that balance with a whole-Bible view?
- Salvation as a gift of God
- Salvation not by works
- Salvation by grace through faith
- Faith credited as righteousness
- Believers not being judged, having crossed over already from death to life

Ephesians 2:8-9
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

Romans 4:4-5
Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. 5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.

John 5:24
“Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.

It is those who have repented and given a new nature, born again of the Spirit to live their life in the Spirit that will be saved. There will be many who believe as you do and Jesus will say, I never knew you, you workers of wickedness. So good luck with that. Can't say I didn't warn you
 
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Claiming that the Bible does not mean what it plainly says is dangerous territory.
As does quoting the Bible to promote unbiblical doctrines. (assigning biblical authority to your own ideas - false witness)

That is what you do, not I. It is you who claim Romans 7 is Paul as a Christian.
 
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That's fine reasoning, but you have failed to support your case biblically.

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The claim of a "new" nature that replaces the old nature (the flesh) is unbiblical, unless you can support the idea with scripture. Something that uses the term "new nature".

I have. What do you think a new creature is, but one who has a born again nature that doesn't sin. That is the last time I'm going to tell you. You can say it is unbiblical, and live like the devil in your old nature.
 
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How can one know where they are going when they are over-driving their headlights with a dirty windshield? I'm trying to pull you out of the ditch. (or help you avoid it)

It occurred to me this week why we get talked down to. You don't believe that how you treat others is a violation of law. (only a personal transgression against a person who isn't God, therefore of no concern)

Look who's talking. LOL
 
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So, being a Berean is considered carnally minded?
Making questionable conclusions by misusing scriptures to fit an agenda should be challenged. And no one should be surprised by objections to such behavior.

Not at all, seekers find. But you are selling greasy grace and totally believe it is scriptural, but Jude calls it turning the grace of God into licentiousness. It is false teaching that Hitler used to kill the Jews!

Again, good luck with that.
 
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I quote James.
But James does not say that salvation is by works.
James is saying that works is the evidence of faith. (the result, not the cause)

What I posted.
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So you openly admit to promoting salvation by works? (self-effort requirement)

What I posted.
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From post #21
Salvation by works. (false gospel)
 
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It is those who have repented and given a new nature, born again of the Spirit to live their life in the Spirit that will be saved. There will be many who believe as you do and Jesus will say, I never knew you, you workers of wickedness. So good luck with that. Can't say I didn't warn you
You are condemning me according to a doctrine that your can't even support biblically.
Heaven will be a lonely place. Just you and Jesus. (what's wrong with this picture?)
 
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I have. What do you think a new creature is, but one who has a born again nature that doesn't sin. That is the last time I'm going to tell you. You can say it is unbiblical, and live like the devil in your old nature.
Still no biblical support. Only your flawed opinion.

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That's fine reasoning, but you have failed to support your case biblically.

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The claim of a "new" nature that replaces the old nature (the flesh) is unbiblical, unless you can support the idea with scripture. Something that uses the term "new nature".
 
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Look who's talking. LOL
That's not a denial.

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How can one know where they are going when they are over-driving their headlights with a dirty windshield? I'm trying to pull you out of the ditch. (or help you avoid it)

It occurred to me this week why we get talked down to. You don't believe that how you treat others is a violation of law. (only a personal transgression against a person who isn't God, therefore of no concern)
 
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Not at all, seekers find. But you are selling greasy grace and totally believe it is scriptural, but Jude calls it turning the grace of God into licentiousness. It is false teaching that Hitler used to kill the Jews!

Again, good luck with that.
Wow. Now you compare me with Hitler. ??? You are too much. - lol

You have still failed to provide biblical support. (five posts later)
 
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But James does not say that salvation is by works.
James is saying that works is the evidence of faith. (the result, not the cause)

What I posted.
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So you openly admit to promoting salvation by works? (self-effort requirement)

What I posted.
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From post #21
Salvation by works. (false gospel)

I agree. It is the Spirit that does the work.
 
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You are condemning me according to a doctrine that your can't even support biblically.
Heaven will be a lonely place. Just you and Jesus. (what's wrong with this picture?)

"Few there are that find it."
 
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Wow. Now you compare me with Hitler. ??? You are too much. - lol

You have still failed to provide biblical support. (five posts later)

You are following the Reformationists, just as Hitler did.
 
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You are following the Reformationists, just as Hitler did.
So the alternative to Protestantism is no biblical support? - lol

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Wow. Now you compare me with Hitler. ??? You are too much. - lol

You have still failed to provide biblical support. (five posts later)
 
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So the alternative to Protestantism is no biblical support? - lol

What I posted
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Wow. Now you compare me with Hitler. ??? You are too much. - lol

You have still failed to provide biblical support. (five posts later)

You are twisting my words and I'm just not up to the abuse today. Sorry. Maybe tomorrow I can be your punching bag. But in reality, I think I will keep my promise and just wipe the dust off my feet. We are not on the same page at all. In fact, I don't recognize your page. BTW, are all the others in the conversation in line with your thinking? I haven't read much of the conversation. If it is, I will just bow out.
 
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