Thalidomide: What's Wrong with this Picture?

[AV1611VET]

Anything wrong with this picture?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Diethylstilbestrol (DES), also known as stilbestrol or stilboestrol, is a nonsteroidal estrogen medication, which is presently rarely used.[5][6][7] In the past, it was widely used for a variety of indications, including pregnancy support for women with a history of recurrent miscarriage, hormone therapy for menopausal symptoms and estrogen deficiency in women, treatment of prostate cancer in men and breast cancer in women, and other uses.[5] By 2007, it was only used in the treatment of prostate cancer and breast cancer.[8] In 2011, Hoover and colleagues reported on adverse health outcomes linked to DES including infertility, miscarriage, ectopic pregnancy, preeclampsia, preterm birth, stillbirth, infant death, menopause prior to age 45, breast cancer, cervical cancer, and vaginal cancer.[9] While most commonly taken by mouth, DES was available for use by other routes as well, for instance, vaginal, topical, and by injection.

 

[AV1611VET]

What's your point, Warden?

Are you saying there's nothing wrong with that poster in the OP?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

What's your point, Warden?

Are you saying there's nothing wrong with that poster in the OP?

That Desplex was touted as some miracle help for pregnant women, but the general public only found there was something wrong AFTER it started causing major health problems?

 

[returntosender]

What's your point, Warden?

Are you saying there's nothing wrong with that poster in the OP?

??

 

[Sheila Davis]

Anything wrong with this picture?

It produces bigger and stronger babies _ reminds me of steroid use or hormones in chickens _ not natural.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

??

AV's got a personal vendetta against science because of... well, reasons, to put it simply, with things like thalidomide, the Challenger Disaster, the 2009 L'Aquila earthquakes, Titanic and Hindenburg disasters, as 'evidence' that science can 'take a hike'.

Because human error doesn't mean anything to him.

 

[Enilorac]

Because human error doesn't mean anything to him.

Neither does the scientific method, hypotheses and theories. Now I understand why many of my students lack any real critical thinking skills. Former fundamentalist Christian homeschoolers that have academically aged out of their parents' ability to teach them send their students to us, a secular charter school, so their kids can earn an associates degree for free along with a high school diploma. Their first year is spent in attempting to teach them to think critically. Not about their faith, we don't do that, we don't even mention faith, but about the world around them. They have no idea how to do that because they've been told what to think rather than how to think. The parents aren't any help either. Supposedly the parents already know what our school is about, we don't hide it at all. BUT...the minute the kids have to think outside the box, even in an engineering class, the parents lose their stuff. Look, I just want your kid to understand the design process...and that does involve thinking for themselves, how to deal with the "Who, What, Why, Where, When and How" of solving the problem. In my CAD class, I have to beg parents to download the software so the kids can work on projects outside of school. Why? Because they're afraid that learning 3D design will mess their kids up. I feel so sorry for these kids. Great potential but intellectually stunted because of some fear.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Anything wrong with this picture?

You chopped the bottom off?

 

[AV1611VET]

??

LOL -- I just got that.

Touche!

 

[AV1611VET]

It produces bigger and stronger babies _

That's what they wanted us to believe.

 

[AV1611VET]

AV's got a personal vendetta against science because of... well, reasons, to put it simply, with things like thalidomide, the Challenger Disaster, the 2009 L'Aquila earthquakes, Titanic and Hindenburg disasters, as 'evidence' that science can 'take a hike'.

Because human error doesn't mean anything to him.

Don't forget Pluto, the "life saving" footbridge, and the Deepwater Horizon.

The last two of which were supposed to benefit us greatly.

 

[AV1611VET]

Great potential but intellectually stunted because of some fear.

Can they look at a picture and tell what's wrong with it?

Can they tell when science oversteps its bounds?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Don't forget Pluto, the "life saving" footbridge, and the Deepwater Horizon.

The last two of which were supposed to benefit us greatly.

... life saving footbridge? I've never seen you do that one. Must have missed it.

 

[AV1611VET]

... life saving footbridge? I've never seen you do that one. Must have missed it.

AKA the Florida footbridge.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

AKA the Florida footbridge.

Nope, still does not ring any bells. Definitely did miss that one.

But, regardless, you seem to have a horrible problem with the simple fact of human error, and you turn it into a major enemy for you and you alone. And you ain't no Man of La Mancha.

 

[AV1611VET]

Nope, still does not ring any bells.

 

[Enilorac]

It seems to me you know little about things like risk assessment. The bottom line, nothing is perfect and stuff happens. You want to blame it on either "science" or human error. Let me let you in on a little secret, there was only one perfect man to ever walk the earth and you ain't him.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Ah. Faulty engineering and poor construction.

As I said though, I don't remember you yourself talking about it that's why I didn't include it on the list.

 

[grasping the after wind]

Neither does the scientific method, hypotheses and theories. Now I understand why many of my students lack any real critical thinking skills. Former fundamentalist Christian homeschoolers that have academically aged out of their parents' ability to teach them send their students to us, a secular charter school, so their kids can earn an associates degree for free along with a high school diploma. Their first year is spent in attempting to teach them to think critically. Not about their faith, we don't do that, we don't even mention faith, but about the world around them. They have no idea how to do that because they've been told what to think rather than how to think. The parents aren't any help either. Supposedly the parents already know what our school is about, we don't hide it at all. BUT...the minute the kids have to think outside the box, even in an engineering class, the parents lose their stuff. Look, I just want your kid to understand the design process...and that does involve thinking for themselves, how to deal with the "Who, What, Why, Where, When and How" of solving the problem. In my CAD class, I have to beg parents to download the software so the kids can work on projects outside of school. Why? Because they're afraid that learning 3D design will mess their kids up. I feel so sorry for these kids. Great potential but intellectually stunted because of some fear.

Few people of any background seem to be adept at critical thinking. Mistaking intellectual adherence to their own particular belief system as critical thinking and any questioning of that particular belief system as a lack of critical thinking. To be an effective critical thinker one must question one's own assumptions first and most strenuously.