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Texas to cut HIV prevention funds to Planned Parenthood facility

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by SepiaAndDust, Dec 23, 2015.

  1. TLK Valentine

    TLK Valentine You will be who you will be. We are our choices.

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    And you'd be wrong. But by all means, don't let that stop your attempts to be clever.
     
  2. Tallguy88

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    Pull it with a big truck! :ahah:
     
  3. Uncle Siggy

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    And something a lot of people aren't considering is how much of this taxpayer money is being used for politicians campaign contributions???
     
  4. iluvatar5150

    iluvatar5150 Well-Known Member

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    The affected Planned Parenthood affiliated has 7 Houston-area locations, not 3.
    https://www.plannedparenthood.org/planned-parenthood-gulf-coast/patients/locations-hours

    Also, Houston is huge and it has a ton of people. I don't think 6 of anything is enough to serve an area of that size and population.
     
  5. ThatRobGuy

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    ...I'm sure I could've gotten a better analogy together if I would've pondered it for a while, but it was late and I was tired ;)

    I agree, abortions aren't going anywhere. The sooner people realize that, the sooner people can start having a different conversation about planned parenthood. The pro-life crew is still has the end goal of getting it outlawed...and while I can understand their resolve in trying to thwart, what they feel is, one of the greatest evils in our society today, people need to understand that the idea of a right being given to people (via supreme court decision), and then taken away again isn't a common occurrence (in fact, I can't think of an instance of that happening to be honest). Once a right is granted in that fashion, it's typically here today.
     
  6. blackribbon

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    But both sides don't seem to realize this either. Planned Parenthood is not a sacred cow. And if it goes away, people aren't suddenly going to be stuck in a back alley with some old woman and a coat hanger. It is a legal medical procedure and chances are it is going on in your favorite hospital. Personally, I'd like to get it out of the clinics which like to pretend that it isn't a major medical procedure but rather seem to equate it to getting your teeth cleaned or even your wisdom teeth removed. It isn't just having a heavy period. Your body is giving birth...how be it to a very small baby that is has been killed in the womb. The severe cramping is "contractions"...and the body cycles through the same hormone cycles needed to bring the womb back to pre-baby. And there is blood and a risk of infection and dying if the procedure isn't done correctly or followup on.

    If it isn't going to go away (which it isn't because even anti-abortion people get them when they realize their darling 17 year is pregnant), but it needs to be treated with the same respect as other medical procedures and move into a REAL medical facility that has the ability to care for these patients in an emergency....and let them understand the importance of the follow-up appointments. Planned parenthood only RECOMMENDS that you follow up (which makes me doubt that they have a high level of people who do return since after an abortion people just want to pretend it didn't happen and the pre-care includes pretending like the abortion is "no big deal"). Can anyone imagine not doing at least one followup appointment after giving birth? Pro-abortion people need to understand that this is not a "nothing" procedure. Being pregnant is not a nothing for a woman's body (even in those early weeks). Everyone needs to quit fooling themselves about what abortion is and what it is not.

    And let people quit pretending that Planned Parenthood is a sacred cow that needs to be protected at all costs. From what I can tell, it may not be worth protecting anymore...if it is so vital, let it be funded privately...because people will donate to worthy causes. Instead of manipulating poor women into killing their babies, I'd have more respect if their "planned" parenthood include actual parenthood care such as prenatal care for pregnant women. Then I'd believe they REALLY care about poor women. The only thing they do that has any respect from me is provide birth control services (probably the only preventative care that they really offer). Do you realize how much money they would save if they just went into the birth control and STD testing business? Maybe they wouldn't need public funding anymore...or maybe the controversy would go away and people would actually support them. If abortions are only a tiny part of their business, let them give referrals like they do to the people who are HIV positive and shut down the operating rooms in the clinics.
     
  7. SepiaAndDust

    SepiaAndDust There's a FISH in the percolator

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    Feh, you're splitting hairs. To no point or purpose, I might add.

    People who test postive tend to try not to spread the diseases, which PREVENTS new infections. They can also get treatment, which can cure many of those diseases, and that PREVENTS new cases.
     
  8. blackribbon

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    Sorry. I am a medical professional and no, it isn't splitting hairs. They are different phases of care...with the ideal ALWAYS being prevention....real prevention. And sadly, no, a positive diagnoses does not mean a person goes and gets treatment, especially if they don't have any obvious symptoms. A person is much more likely to get treatment if they are treated by the same doctor/organization that diagnosed them than if they have to start over with just a referral. To assume that people who don't care enough about their health to avoid risky behaviors and avoid being exposed will suddenly become the perfect compliant patient isn't a safe assumption at all.

    And after diagnosis, treatment is about containment, not prevention.
     
  9. SepiaAndDust

    SepiaAndDust There's a FISH in the percolator

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    And yet, 100,000 Texas women are estimated to have attempted DIY abortions:

     
  10. SepiaAndDust

    SepiaAndDust There's a FISH in the percolator

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    Yeah, you are splitting hairs. And you're demanding an ideal prevention process for patients who you admit will not behave ideally. Containment is a part of prevention. As is testing. Nobody expects the process to be perfect.
     
  11. blackribbon

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    And that is WITH planned parenthood who will give abortions to even under aged girls... So the problem is with the fact that these young women are more afraid of being pregnant than anything else and more funding won't solve this problem.
     
  12. SepiaAndDust

    SepiaAndDust There's a FISH in the percolator

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    Who said that they were young women?
     
  13. SepiaAndDust

    SepiaAndDust There's a FISH in the percolator

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    Not in Texas, not without parental consent or a court order.
     
  14. blackribbon

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    Okay...you are right...but it hasn't always been that way.
     
  15. TLK Valentine

    TLK Valentine You will be who you will be. We are our choices.

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    Under aged for what?
     
  16. blackribbon

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    under the age of majority (not adults)...however, the laws in Texas have obviously changed since I was younger because this was a huge issue at the time...
     
  17. TLK Valentine

    TLK Valentine You will be who you will be. We are our choices.

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    The rules are different for certain medical procedures, and they vary from state to state.

    In Texas, women under 18 need written consent from a parent or legal guardian in order to get an abortion... which can complicate matters if the parent is in some way responsible for the pregnancy in the first place...
     
  18. blackribbon

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    A court order can also be used for permission...if one of the parents responsible in any way, the girl should be identifying the abuser so she can be protected from that parent. Again, this also presumes that abortion is the best option for the girl (and a minor is a "girl")
     
  19. TLK Valentine

    TLK Valentine You will be who you will be. We are our choices.

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    True, but in these cases, time is a critical factor, for obvious reasons...

    If ever a minor boy goes to PP for an abortion, I'd say he's in desperate need of some of their educational materials...
     
  20. blackribbon

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    I actually was thinking in the terms of "girl" versus "woman" but I guess that wasn't obvious?

    And the courts are reasonably quick to make decisions when it concerns medical issues (which are usually time sensitive) along with this being a juvenile/minor.
     
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