Texas Senate drops "White Supremacy is bad" requirement from education bill

[Ken-1122]

Perhaps, but the same people who would have been temporarily placated by a name change would expect "equal representation" in the lessons.

And between displacing the Native Americans, Slavery, Segregation, Jim Crow, Internment camps, etc... there aren't enough counter-examples to go around.

Counter examples aren't necessary, just teach racial supremacy is wrong.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Not just Texas students, all students.

Well, hopefully, the Texas Senate only has authority over Texas.

 

[Paulos23]

Well, hopefully, the Texas Senate only has authority over Texas.

What Texas has is a single school district and a large buying power for school books. If Texas or California don't want your books, you will not be making much.

So some school book publishers cater to Texas. And if they say they want something in their books, publishers will give it to them. And because it is expensive to make two versions of the book, the other states lose out on getting a say of what is in the schoolbooks.

 

[98cwitr]

Was it really going be 'white supremacy is bad', or really just 'white people are bad'?

It just provides the foundation for things like:

America is systemically racist
All white people are racist
PoC can't be racist
Defund the police
Equity over equality in hiring and education
hate speech should be illegal
etc etc

 

[Sodafox]

I think it would be a mistake to assume all "white lenses" are the same, or that all Native, Black, and Mexican view points are the same.

I understand it's different everywhere - what I learned in history in Illinois is going to be different than what someone in Georgia learned. And what I learned going to a suburban school is going to be different from what someone learns in an inner city school. Still, having even one alternative view taught is better than having just one view period. So, yeah, different tribes will have different history but at least getting a guest speaker in will open up the idea to kids that there isn't just one view to history.

 

[durangodawood]

Change the word "white" to "racial" and I think that would have removed the bias and more people would be accepting of it.

White supremacy specifically was a central organizing feature of society in many states. Its effects and appeal did not just vanish overnight with the repeal of various laws.

I agree tho: the principle taught should be about rejecting racial supremacy, even as the history is one of white supremacy.

 

[cow451]

I learned from the same people who taught me that murder was bad, rape was bad, and countless other acts of evil are bad; I learned from my parents and society. Ya don't need a special course in school to learn these things.

Lucky you. Your parents could teach a few conservatives these things.

 

[98cwitr]

White supremacy specifically was a central organizing feature of society in many states. Its effects and appeal did not just vanish overnight with the repeal of various laws.

I agree tho: the principle taught should be about rejecting racial supremacy, even as the history is one of white supremacy.

Agreed, but that institutionally ended in large part to the end of Jim Crow, yet remains in Affirmative Action practices.

The things that make white supremacy unfair and horrible is applicable to any sort of racial supremacy; but that's not the goal or the effort of CRT.

The result of CRT, in part, is a resurrection of segregation, but it's spun as being voluntary, yet enforced. See college and even high school segregated graduations, which started a few years back.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Was it really going be 'white supremacy is bad', or really just 'white people are bad'?

You can read the bill and see what has been struck out (p.6):

[(7)AAthe history of white supremacy, including but not limited to the institution of slavery, the eugenics movement, and the Ku Klux Klan, and the ways in which it is morally wrong;

 

[98cwitr]

You can read the bill and see what has been struck out (p.6):

[(7)AAthe history of white supremacy, including but not limited to the institution of slavery, the eugenics movement, and the Ku Klux Klan, and the ways in which it is morally wrong;

Jim Crow
Anti-miscegenation laws
Segregation
Redlining
FBIs investigations into MLK
LBJ's model cities impact
Effects of systemic welfare targeting on the black nuclear family
Effects of 1980s CIA involvement in the crack epidemic in the black community
Effects of sustained and systemic immigration on American employment

The list just keeps going.....

 

[Nithavela]

I suspect it's closer to the "schools should just be teaching the facts and not moralizing" approach.

Of course, these are usually the same people who use the "schools have been going downhill since they kicked God out" approach, which leaves one to wonder what they ever expected Him to do in there...

I think that in the view of many people calling for more prayer in schools, the main job for God in schools would be to act as a magical lightning rod that prevents school shootings.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Texas Senate votes to nix teaching requirement calling white supremacy 'morally wrong'



I guess with all the brouhaha over CRT, we can't afford to expose our children to such a controversial idea...

Thoughts?

Meaning that they are prohibiting CRT from school curriculum. You'd think that the Democrats would not want kids to learn about the origins of slavery, Jim Crow, and thr KKK.

 

[essentialsaltes]

The list just keeps going.....

Of things neither deleted by nor included in the bill?

 

[98cwitr]

Of things neither deleted by nor included in the bill?

Do all possibilities need to be included in the bill in order to be taught/not taught in any school?

 

[7thKeeper]

So like have a Grand Dragon of the KKK come in to provide their interpretation, and then another month maybe a Nazi to talk about Hitler's accomplishments, that kind of thing?

I can see how that goes.

"Now now, let's look at the good things Hitler did. He got an awfully lot of medical research done without harming any animals."

 

[TLK Valentine]

I think that in the view of many people calling for more prayer in schools, the main job for God in schools would be to act as a magical lightning rod that prevents school shootings.

Considering how many maniacs have switched to shooting up churches, I'd say the plan isn't working.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Meaning that they are prohibiting CRT from school curriculum. You'd think that the Democrats would not want kids to learn about the origins of slavery, Jim Crow, and thr KKK.

And yet instead it's the GOP -- funny how that works, isn't it?

And it gets even funnier:

Texas Senate Votes to Remove Required Lessons on Civil Rights

The Texas Senate on Friday passed legislation that would end requirements that public schools include writings on women’s suffrage and the civil rights movement in social studies classes.

Among the figures whose works would be dropped: Susan B. Anthony, Cesar Chavez, and Martin Luther King Jr., whose “I Have a Dream"speech and “Letter from a Birmingham Jail” would no longer make the curriculum cut.

Why stop at CRT?

 

[Strathos]

It just provides the foundation for things like:

America is systemically racist
All white people are racist
PoC can't be racist
Defund the police
Equity over equality in hiring and education
hate speech should be illegal
etc etc

As long as we're making lists of strawman distortions, it seems that what Texas schools really want to teach is:

- There is no racism against minorities in America
- The only real racism is against white people
- Blacks are worse off in America because they are less intelligent, more violent, and lazier than white people, not because of any kind of external factors
- The KKK and other such groups never existed (or, if they did exist, they weren't that bad)
- The Democratic and Republican parties have the exact same stances on racial issues that they did 150 years ago.
- Slavery wasn't that bad, the slaves were treated well and were happy
- It's perfectly okay to use the n word, and anyone who objects is just a triggered liberal
etc.

 

[98cwitr]

As long as we're making lists of strawman distortions, it seems that what Texas schools really want to teach is:

- There is no racism against minorities in America
- The only real racism is against white people
- Blacks are worse off in America because they are less intelligent, more violent, and lazier than white people, not because of any kind of external factors
- The KKK and other such groups never existed (or, if they did exist, they weren't that bad)
- The Democratic and Republican parties have the exact same stances on racial issues that they did 150 years ago.
- Slavery wasn't that bad, the slaves were treated well and were happy
- It's perfectly okay to use the n word, and anyone who objects is just a triggered liberal
etc.

If I may clarify:

There is no systemic nor institutional racism left in America apart from Affirmative Action practices. There used to be though.

Racism is defined as discriminating against someone based on their race or ethnicity. Racism does NOT have to do with any "construct of power or privilege" as they're attempting to redefine the term.

This has absolutely nothing to do with race, and everything to do with culture. There are plenty of black people who are far more successful than white people or vice versa, because different individuals ascribe to different cultures. Individuals commit crimes, not entire racial groups.

Obviously the KKK existed and still does!

People had difference stances on racial issues then and now. Turning this into a partisan argument is disingenuous, because it doesn't belong in the classroom.

It's okay with many people if you are black and use the n-word, yes. I don't prefer to hear it at all. It's cringe no matter who's mouth it comes from.

 

[Strathos]

If I may clarify:

There is no systemic nor institutional racism left in America apart from Affirmative Action practices. There used to be though.

The fact that you actually believe this is the reason why we need better education in these matters.