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Texas Bans Teaching Students CRT

Discussion in 'News & Current Events (Articles Required)' started by Ana the Ist, May 7, 2021.

  1. Ana the Ist

    Ana the Ist Aggressively serene!

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    Well...not specifically Critical Race Theory.

    GOP lawmakers want to ban 'woke philosophies' like critical race theory in Texas schools

    Last week, the Senate passed Senate Bill 2202, authored by Sen. Brandon Creighton, R-Conroe, which bans teaching that "one race or sex is inherently superior to another race or sex; (2) an individual, by virtue of his or her race or sex, is inherently racist, sexist, or oppressive, whether consciously or unconsciously." Many Texas Republicans see critical race theory as a way to give students implicit or unconscious bias training, which Creighton's bill seeks to prohibit. It passed the upper chamber 18-13, all its supporters white Republicans.

    Seems rather reasonable....these are the facts. I wonder why so many educators and Democrats are upset about it.
     
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  2. Bradskii

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    We're all inherently sexist and racist to some degree. I think that fact needs addressing. I certainly explained that to my kids. And I would expect that fact to be the basis of any subject in a school curriculum that addresses sexism and racism.

    I would expect kids to be able to acknowledge that in the first instance so that they can then tackle any problems that they encounter, either as a perpetrator or a victim or as a group.

    If you don't even appreciate that there is a problem then you're not going to look for solutions to it.
     
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  3. Pommer

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    Laws regulating speech?
    Sure, why not go down this road?
    It’ll be swell!
     
  4. HTacianas

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    They are not regulating speech. They are regulating curriculums taught in public schools.
     
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    Even the lift hill is going to be fun, I see!
     
  6. disciple Clint

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    Good for them, there is reason for hope that the false narratives will be discovered for what they are and what they will do if they are not stopped.
     
  7. Bradskii

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    If you want to paint this purely as a political matter, then go for your life. Just treat it as left v right, Republican v Democrat, right v wrong.

    But you might be aware that I just pidgeon-holed everyone into two groups there. Us v Them effectively. You can choose your side as best you see fit. Which is what we all do. We associate ourselves within groups. Whether it is defined by your gender, your state, your country, your racial background, your football team, your politics.

    This is such a basic fact of life that it really shouldn't need me to point it out. You did it yourself above probably without realising it. For you, in this context, it's The False Narrative v The Truth. You are saying 'We're all the same. There are no divisions. Except that I'm always right and you're in the group that's always wrong'.

    Unless you accept that there are differences and we are automatically biased towards our 'own group' then you aren't going to recognise problems when they occur. You can just stand with others in your group and say 'there's nothing to see here'. You want to take it personally. You want to say that we aren't racist. We aren't sexist. We treat everyone with the respect that they deserve. So if someone suggests that there is racism and they suggest that it is exhibited by a group of which you are a member, then you take it personally.

    A heads up: It's not about you.
     
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  8. ThatRobGuy

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    This is another one of those situations where I think allowance for nuance would be the prudent approach, but I talk to a lot of people (on both sides), and there are many (on both sides) who seemingly want to refuse to settle for anything other than an "all-or-nothing" type of arrangement.

    I talk to some deeply conservative family members, and they act as if it's 100% unthinkable to even acknowledge the fact that there are some unsavory aspects of our nations history, that are still having a multi-generational impact.

    On the other side, I talk too some friends and co-workers who are pretty far left, who suggest that it's acceptable for history classes to teach ahistorical, inaccurate narratives like the ones found in the 1619 project, and support the "BLM in schools" curriculum that some districts have adopted.


    This is another shining example of what happens when utter political tribalism runs wild.

    When you have one side of the aisle suggesting:
    "we're the greatest country ever, there's nothing wrong, racism is no longer an issue, people who experience negative systemic impacts just need to get over it because it must be because of something they did wrong"
    ...and the other side suggesting
    "any and all problems we have are because the USA is systemically rigged in favor of straight white males, if you don't accept that, that's just your white fragility showing, and you must just be (consciously or unconsciously) a bigot"


    It's unlikely that those two groups are going to be able to produce any sort of policy or social climate even remotely resembling resembling reasonable moderation.
     
  9. Ana the Ist

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    Education curricula....we already do this.
     
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    I don't think that's a proven fact.

    You're certainly entitled to your opinion though.

    Not a fact.

    Well that is the problem...you want your opinions taught as facts.


    What problem are you talking about specifically?
     
  11. Ana the Ist

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    They banned teaching kids that their race makes them less than or more than another race.

    What's wrong with that?
     
  12. Ana the Ist

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    I'm not sure why you believe this....but let's look at the data.

    Study Reveals Americans' Subconscious Racial Biases

    Now....if you pay attention to the graphs, you'll notice that there's a group....about 25%...that indicates no implicit bias at all.

    None.

    That means your idea of racial bias is wrong about 25% of the time.

    That's hopeful, right? If we teach children these things truly don't matter....they might just see it that way.
     
  13. ThatRobGuy

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    That particular aspect, alone, nothing's wrong with that.

    However, when they use the expression "woke philosophies" per the headline in the article, that leads me to believe it's encompassing a lot more than just that.

    While I'm one who's been a staunch opponent of actual "woke-ness", I'll still be the first to acknowledge that when some people use that expression as a pejorative, they're using it in a context that expands far beyond what I would consider actual "woke-ness".


    For instance, there are some who would lump
    "Explaining that racism has had a multi-generational impact that's still effecting people to this day"
    and...
    "We should let this 7 year old decide if they want to go on hormone therapy"

    ...under the same "woke-ness" umbrella.


    And then there are some who imply that pretty much any sociological value left-of-center is an example of "woke-ness".

    I was 100% opposed to the "BLM in school" curriculums that some districts were injecting...and staunchly opposed to the "trans immersion" programs that they were piloting in NYC districts.

    What I want to be cautious of, is making sure that vague legislation isn't getting passed that basically makes it against the rules to call out legitimate societal/systemic impacts.

    IE:

    If a sociology teacher wants to convey the sentiment that "thinking a gay person is evil just for being gay, is wrong, and is negatively impacting people"... that shouldn't be categorized in the same bucket as "we have to allow 3rd grade kids to make gender-altering decisions, and if you object, you're just a bigot"
     
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  14. Ana the Ist

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    No disagreement.

    I think the article is deliberately misleading. It appears to be an attack on wokeness....if you're woke.

    The legislation is itself...merely an affirmation of equality.
     
  15. Bradskii

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    That's one test. Of around 1,000 people I think. And the unconscious bias is illustrated by a huge margin. I'd suggest that if you looked at different types of bias and not just that between Caucasians and Asians or Black Americans then you'd find that 75% figure slowly creep up towards 100%. We already see enough consciously stated bias against homosexuality and thence against gays (people you consider to be performing perverted acts are, by definition, perverts). And the point I was specifically making was amply illustrated in the article:

    "When asked how to dismantle these implicit biases, Morin told NBC News, “Simply knowing that you hold these biases is an important first step [in dismantling implicit bias]."
     
  16. Ana the Ist

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    Yeah. I didn't check the sampling but I'd like to think NBC did.

    Other types of bias...

    This is moving the goalposts away from the topic of racial or sex bias.

    You said this...

    We're all inherently sexist and racist to some degree

    The graph proves you wrong. Do you stand by your statement or not?
     
  17. Bradskii

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    Yes I do. The 'to some degree' needs to be accepted for what it means. That it's more easily detectable in some people than in others. But you'd have an exceptionally hard time convincing me that even a small proportion of any given population has no unconscious sexist or racist tendency.
     
  18. Ana the Ist

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    Well if you want to assume....be my guest.

    Your assumptions shouldn't be taught as fact to children.

    Again I don't care if you believe that...

    It sounds like an awful thing to assume about people, but that's your opinion.

    The issue is teaching children. If you're saying that everyone is automatically biased...that's an unsolvable problem...not worth an effort.
     
  19. Bradskii

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    Here's a brief excerpt from an article on bias:

    "Years before these neuroscience findings, social psychologists had documented the instant (and unfortunate) associations people make toward “out-groups”—those groups they don’t consider to be their own. Whether they differ by age, ethnicity, religion, or political party, people favor their own groups over others, and they do so automatically. We have always had codes: PLU (people like us), NOKD (not our kind, dear), the ’hood, the Man. Every culture names the “us” and the “not-us.” It appears to be human nature, and many studies have shown how easy it is to provoke this kind of psychological distinction between our “in-groups” and “out-groups.”

    The full article is here: Look Twice | Greater Good

    It's well worth reading and would only take a few minutes. I'be interested to see what you and anyone else thinks about it.
     
  20. Ana the Ist

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    I'm not saying that bias doesn't exist....so let's start there.

    Which of the following do you believe?

    1. That we can eliminate or reduce it's effects.

    2. We can't.
     
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