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Testing spirits, The "Confessing"

Discussion in 'The Ancient Way - Eastern Orthodox' started by Victory123, Jan 12, 2018.

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  1. Victory123

    Victory123 New Member

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    Reading what was placed before us in scripture, with the Holy Spirit we learn in:

    1 John 4:1-6King James Version (KJV)DENYING THE INCARNATION

    4 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are
    gone out into the world.

    2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

    3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit
    of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

    4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in
    the world.

    5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

    6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the
    spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

    This is the first confessing Luke1:28 by an angel

    Luke 1:28King James Version (KJV)

    28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed
    art thou among women.

    and Luke1:42 by a person,Eliasabeth

    Luke 1:42King James Version (KJV)

    42 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy
    womb.

    then it is the "Confessing" that is the test, in 1John 4:1-6. For John said all spirits must confess this."2 Hereby
    know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that JESUS CHRIST is come in the flesh is of God:

    That means all spirits! This in man and angels. John knows Christ is God that is why he says JESUS CHRIST
    is come in the flesh, for Jesus Christ is God Incarnate," The Incarnation", and whose flesh did Jesus Christ come
    in? John does not say , EVERY SPIRIT THAT CONFESSETH THAT GOD HAS COME IN THE FLESH OF
    JESUS CHRIST IS OF GOD. This is what False lying spirits in the guise of the word "Christians "who interpret
    1John4:2 as saying. This is deception, and is because the devils can not and will not exalt Mary as God has.
    This false interpretation denies the Holy Spirit conception of Jesus Christ. God is begotten and not made.

    Devils, demons fallen angels, whatever, can not and will not do this, this is different than- them knowing who
    Christ is and was born of a Virgin. This is exaltation! The glorifying of the "Incarnation" which is not God en-
    tering into Jesus but God who is Jesus entering into a vessel of flesh. For Christ is truly God. He, becoming
    God in man happened in Mary and no other thing can come to be of the faith without this Incarnation. God the
    Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. The Holy Trinity. To deny the "Confessing" of the "Incarnation"
    is denial that Christ is God, begotten and not made. Devils get some to believe , God is made, when actually
    God was conceived and made a man, in Mary. Tricky! Satan is sly but God is WISE!

    And now brings us to more clearly understand Christ words:Matthew 7:21-23King James Version (KJV)

    21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the
    will of my Father which is in heaven.

    22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast
    out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

    23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    As I said:

    Many people think they are Christian and think they are doing mighty deeds in Christ' name. Christ is letting
    them know they only used His name. They where never in Him because they deny the "Incarnation". They do
    and say a lot of Jesus this and Jesus that, yet can not do and will not do the "Confessing". We are called to test
    all spirits as the Elect, by Luke1:28 and Luke1:42. It is putting the Ark of the New Covenant before entering
    into fellowship ,many will fall before it. It is the tool used for going into battle and coming out Victorious!



    If one can not or will not confess Luke1:28 and Luke1:42 then you know what you are dealing with. God Bless!
     
  2. ArmyMatt

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    yes, we do test the spirits
     
  3. prodromos

    prodromos Senior Veteran Supporter

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    Quite a first post :)
    Welcome to CF and to The Ancient Way!
     
  4. Victory123

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    By Luke1:28 and Luke1:42? Before going into fellowship? So you are saying you ask all spirits whether in man or a visitor from heaven to confess the exalting of Mary,which is presenting the Ark of the New and Everlasting covenant?
     
  5. ArmyMatt

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    yes​
     
  6. tapi

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    No, we don't test it at all. Whatsoever spirit speaks first is the one who is the right one. Thus said St. Xeralios.

    [joking............................ cmon :D ]
     
  7. ~Anastasia~

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    Hello, and welcome to CF and to TAW!
     
  8. buzuxi02

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    VICTORY 123 Welcome! And what [staff edit] are you talking about?

    Docetism is long dead, it has been placed in the dustbin of history by the 2nd century. [Staff edit]. You know all that stuff about the hypostatic union, the christological title of Theotokos, and a rejection of icons is a rejection of the incarnation, etc etc.
     
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  9. Victory123

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    Well, first and foremost- when addressing something you disagree with, that is clearly revealed in the Word, and is irrefutable= can not be proven wrong,do so in love. Simply disagreeing or rejecting does not make you right. And icons do not deliver the soul. [Staff edit].


    2 Corinthians 10:16-18.
    16so that we can preach the gospel in the regions beyond you. Then we will not be boasting in the work already done in another man’s territory. 17Rather, “Let him who boasts boast in the Lord.” 18For it is not the one who commends himself who is approved, but the one whom the Lord commends.…

    [Staff edit].
    Orthodoxy is strict adherence to the Word and is unchangeable like God Himself.
    Hebrews 13:8
    Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.
    Malachi 3:6
    “For I the Lord do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed.
    Numbers 23:19
    God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it?
    Isaiah 40:8
    The grass withers, the flower fades, but the word of our God will stand forever.
    James 1:17
    Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change.
    Psalm 102:25-27
    Of old you laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. They will perish, but you will remain; they will all wear out like a garment. You will change them like a robe, and they will pass away, but you are the same, and your years have no end.
    Isaiah 40:28
    Have you not known? Have you not heard? The Lord is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He does not faint or grow weary; his understanding is unsearchable.
    2 Timothy 2:13
    If we are faithless, he remains faithful— for he cannot deny himself.
    Psalm 90:2
    Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever you had formed the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God.
    Psalm 119:89
    Forever, O Lord, your word is firmly fixed in the heavens.
    Exodus 3:14
    God said to Moses, “I am who I am.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel, ‘I am has sent me to you.’”
    Psalm 119:90
    Your faithfulness endures to all generations; you have established the earth, and it stands fast.
    Psalm 33:11
    The counsel of the Lord stands forever, the plans of his heart to all generations.
    Revelation 22:13
    I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”
    Isaiah 44:6
    Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.
    Revelation 19:6
    Then I heard what seemed to be the voice of a great multitude, like the roar of many waters and like the sound of mighty peals of thunder, crying out, “Hallelujah! For the Lord our God the Almighty reigns.
    Deuteronomy 33:27
    The eternal God is your dwelling place, and underneath are the everlasting arms…
    1 Timothy 1:17
    To the King of ages, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.
    I always enter into battle with the Ark of the New and Everlasting Covenant.

     
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  10. Victory123

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    [Staff edit].

    In Christian theology, the doctrine of the Incarnation holds that Jesus, the PREEXISTENT divine Logos (Koine Greek for "Word") and the second hypostasis of the Trinity, God the Son and Son of the Father, taking on a human body and human nature, "was made flesh" and conceived in the womb of Mary the Theotokos (Greek for ...
    Is Mary the Ark of the New and Everlasting Covenant? An Ark -meaning Holy vessel in which the Word is put in?
     
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  11. ArmyMatt

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      1. [Staff edit].
      2. Your initial post is something our ascetic literature answered long ago.
     
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    I love God so i only know one spirit
     
  13. Victory123

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    Ascetic literature is more of a practice in self denial concerning the flesh. It is a withdrawal from the world and a living in a hermit like way to receive enlightenment -a greater knowledge. This pertains to the Knowledge of the God Head.

    [Staff edit].
     
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  14. ArmyMatt

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    well, the Orthodox ascetic literature isn't just the mortification of the flesh.

    [Staff edit].
     
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  15. Anhelyna

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    OK - I am closing this thread now to allow for Staff Review

    Anhelyna - Senior Ambassador Member
     
  16. Paidiske

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  17. ArmyMatt

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    thanks! however, what are we to do when folks claim to be Orthodox but say things that are red flags?
     
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    If their teaching is clearly against Orthodox understanding, report them for a breach of the Statement of Purpose for this forum. If you think it's a highly specialised theological point, feel free to explain in the report, in case the mod who reviews it is unfamiliar with that aspect of Orthodoxy.

    If their interactions are just atypical, then treat that as part of the marvellous diversity of the family of God. Or put them on ignore. But people don't have to do Orthodoxy the way you (plural) think they should, to be able to post here as an Orthodox member.
     
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  19. Anhelyna

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    Paidiske - you said

    <<But people don't have to do Orthodoxy the way you (plural) think they should, to be able to post here as an Orthodox member.>>
    please could you explain what you mean here ?
     
  20. Paidiske

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    What I mean is, if someone comes in and posts something which is not in any way against Orthodox teaching, but expresses it in an unusual way; or holds a different opinion to many on something which is not clearly defined in Orthodoxy; or doesn't want to say who his bishop is; or whatever; that's allowed.

    Basically, as long as their faith label is Orthodox, and they're not teaching against Orthodox teaching, they're allowed to post as a member here, even if other members find them unusual. CF doesn't police people's claimed faith identities except in extreme cases.
     
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