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Terrors from heaven

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Achilles6129, Apr 20, 2016.

  1. Achilles6129

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    "11 and there will be great earthquakes, and in various places plagues and famines; and there will be terrors and great signs from heaven." Lk. 21:11 (NASB)

    https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=G5400&t=NASB

    According to Christ there are terrors and great signs from heaven that are to precede the end. Have some of these terrors/signs already happened, or are they yet future (e.g., the sun/moon/stars being struck in Revelation)? There can be no question that the "terrors" (Gk. phobetron) that Christ refers to must be something very visible. So, what are they?
     
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  3. Handmaid for Jesus

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    Oh we have a birth pangs thread started already. You should join us there. :)
     
  4. Dave Watchman

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    They are the catalyst for the rising of the beast, it's mark, the appearance of the man of sin and every other impossible to believe event in Revelation's story. They are the visible start for our appointed time of the end. They are the beginning of sorrows, the birth pains and the beginning of the plagues. They will be coincident with the opening of the fourth seal and cause a level of death and sudden destruction that this planet has not seen since the flood. They will cause a type of fear that has never before been experienced by humanity as the powers of the heavens will be shaken. They will cause men's hearts to fail them from this fear and foreboding of what is coming on the world. They will create a line of demarcation that cuts us off from our world of today, our current governments, and churches and will plunge us overnight into the ten kingdoms at the end of the world. They will begin after some peals of thunder, some rumblings, flashes of lightning,

    and an earthquake.

    They have not happened already.

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    I'd rather be led by His nail scarred hand.
     
  5. stephen583

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    In March 2014 we had the asteroid DX-110 pass between the Earth and the moon. Pretty much a close shave. At 100 feet in diameter, not exactly a planet killer, but had it hit the Earth, the regional effect would have been catastrophic. The warning time of this near collision with Earth, a mere 72 hours. The planet Jupiter has been hit several times by huge asteroids.

    Less than 3% of Apollo Class (near Earth orbit) asteroids, have been identified so far by NASA. So out of the 97% we haven't seen yet, there is a high probability of a planet killer sized Apollo asteroid being out there with our zip code on it. Asteroids colliding with other asteroids in the Van Allen Belt, could send a massive asteroid headed for Earth at any time.

    Several nations (including Russia), are developing anti-asteroid nuclear missile systems to destroy, or at least try to "deflect" the trajectory of such a "planet killer" asteroid that would precipitate another extinction event here on Earth. Russia test launched an anti-asteroid missile this month.

    Frankly I'm doubtful about anyone's capability to blow up or divert a massive asteroid with a nuclear missile. The Star Wars program spent hundreds of billions of dollars trying to develop a way to destroy a ballistic missile warhead, and the result was a complete failure. It's virtually impossible to hit a bullet, with another bullet, except in a laboratory.

    At close range Patriot Anti-Missile defenses can destroy an ICBM rocket before the warhead separates from the rocket and becomes ballistic on reentry. After that, it's like trying to hit a bullet, with another bullet.

    I'm afraid shooting a nuclear missile at a massive asteroid is going to prove just as useless as the Star Wars Program. The physics just doesn't work. It would be about as practical as trying to stop a charging elephant with a bb gun.

    In addition, we have the melting of the north pole, the recession and disappearance of glaciers around the world, and rising sea levels worldwide. Not exactly what anyone would categorize as a "normal" cyclical change in the Earth's environment and climate. One thousand year floods and more extreme weather also appears to be occurring with increasing frequency throughout the world.

    Are these "signs" of the impending Apocalypse ?! Personally, I believe that's exactly what they are.
     
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  6. keras

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    What WILL happen:

    The enemies of the Lord gather - Micah 4:11, Ezekiel 36:2

    They conspire to attack Israel - Psalms 83:1-8, Isaiah 21:2

    They prepare their weapons - Psalms 7:12, Ezekiel 7:14 [as is the situation today]


    At the moment of attack, God will use His Creation, the sun to send fire - Deuteronomy 32:22 & 34-35, Isaiah 30:26 & 30, Isaiah 66:15-17, 2 Peter 3:7, Amos 1:1-15 & 2:1-5, , Psalms 50:1-3, Zephaniah 3:8, Revelation 6:12-17

    The Lord will make their weapons recoil upon themselves and destroy them- Psalms 7:13-16, Joel 3:4, Obadiah 15

    He will judge the nations, all the wicked will die - Isaiah 63:1-6, Habakkuk 3:12, Revelation 14 18-20, Isaiah 66:17, Isaiah 29:20-21, Hebrews 10:27

    The sun will explode with an extremely bright flash and the moon will reflect bright red - Isaiah 30:26, Joel 2:31, Acts 2:20, Habakkuk 3:4-5

    Then the sun, moon and stars will be obscured by the approaching Coronal Mass Ejection - Psalm 18:11-12, Isaiah 13:9-13, Ezekiel 32:7-8

    A huge superhot mass of hydrogen plasma approaches the earthJoel 1:15-20, Malachi 4:1, Zephaniah 1:14-18

    Everyone on earth will be shocked and terrified - Jeremiah 6:24-26, Ezekiel 21:5-7a, Isaiah 13:6-8, Revelation 6:15-17

    The atmosphere will be pushed asideRevelation 6:14, 2 Peter 3:10, Isaiah 34:4

    The whole earth will be enveloped by fire - Isaiah 66:15, Zeph. 3:8, 2 Peter 3:7

    Only a remnant will survive in the Holy Land - Zechariah 13:8-9, Isaiah 6:11-13

    His enemies will become ashes - Malachi 4:3, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Jeremiah 49:2, Matthew 3:12b

    Millions will die around the world - Psalms 97:3-5, Jeremiah 25:33, Isaiah 13:12

    The Lord will protect those who call to Him - Isaiah 43:2, Acts 2:21

    But most people will take shelter until it passes. Isaiah 2:19, Revelation 6:15

    The survivors form a One World Govt. - Daniel 7:23-24, Revelation 17:12

    The Holy Land will be regenerated - Ezekiel 36:8, Joel 2:21-24, Isaiah 35:1-10, Amos 9:13-15, Jeremiah 33:12-14

    And the Lord's righteous people will gather there. - Ezekiel 20:34-38, Isaiah 66:18b-21, Revelation 7:9

    They will become the new nation of Beulah - Isaiah 62:1-5, Ezekiel 36:3-38, Jer. 31

    They will build a new TempleZechariah 6:15, Haggai 2:9, Ezekiel 40 to 48

    The attack by a Northern army will be won by the LordEzekiel 38:22, Joel 2:20

    The leaders of Beulah will sign a 7 year peace treaty with the leader of the O.W.G. Daniel 9:27, Isaiah 28:15

    At the mid point he will break it and conquer Beulah - Daniel 9:27, Zechariah 14:2

    This commences the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls of the Great Tribulation - Revelation 8:2

    Those who kept their faith in God will be taken to a safe place on earth. Daniel 11:32b, Revelation 12:14

    3.5 years later, Jesus will Return for His Millennial reign - Revelation 19:11-21, Matthew 24:30-31, Zechariah 14:3-4

    The Lord has told us His plans and He will not relent or change them - Jeremiah 4:28

    There are plenty more prophesies and details to prove this scenario.
    Believe it or not; up to everyone to decide! Psalms 19:11-12, Isaiah 48:6
     
  7. Psalm3704

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    He was talking about Syria.









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  8. stephen583

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    "For then shall be great tribulation, such as WAS NOT FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD to this time, no, NOR EVER SHALL BE" (Matthew 24:21, KJV).

    So you want to know exactly what is going to happen ??? It's going to be way worse than anything that has ever happened in the history of the world before. Worse than anything that will ever happen again. That's exactly what Matthew 24:21 is saying.

    That means worse than the destruction of Pompeii by Mount Vesuvius in AD 79. Worse than the Black Death in the Mid-1300's that killed over 200 million people. More bloody than the 100 year war between England and France, or the American Civil War. Worse than the "Carrington" coronal mass ejection (super solar flare) of 1859 that fried telegraph systems across America. Worse than World War I and World War II put together. Worse than the near miss with asteroid DX-110 in 2014. The last three and a half years of the Tribulation Period is going to eclipse all of these previous events in history.

    You aren't going to have any trouble figuring out the End of the World has finally arrived. It's going to be pretty obvious.
     
  9. keras

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    What Jesus was warning about in Luke 21:10-11, was the things we are now experiencing, more wars, [2 world wars] plagues, [Aids, ebola, cancer] famines, [due to overpopulation and bad governance] earthquakes, [an exponential increase of eq's and more damage again due to overpopulation] These have and are happening now, but the cosmic events are next. I posted in #6 what they will be, the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster.
    The next prophesied event is not the Great Tribulation. How can it be until the Anti-Christ has desecrated the Temple, 2 Thessalonians 2:4, that commences the GT? So there must be a Temple built first.
    So there must be a dramatic change to the situation in the Middle East.
    So the prophecy of Psalms 83:1-18 and the other 100 prophesies about the Lord's Day of fiery wrath happens next.
     
  10. Luke17:37

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    I believe Jesus signs in Luke 21 and others refer to a future Tribulation (more detail expressed to us in Revelation).

    He calls for False Christs (probably seal 1, Revelation 6:1-2, Luke 21:8), war (seal 2, Revelation 6:3-4, Luke 21:9-10), famine (seal 3, Revelatiom 6:5-6, Luke 21:11), death from various things (Revelation 6:7-8, Luke 21:11), Christian persecution unto death for some (seal 5, Revelation 6:9-11, Luke 21:12-19), earthquakes and signs in the heavenly bodies (seal 6, Revelation 6:12-17, Luke 21:11).

    Although we have experienced earthquakes, war, Christian persecution, etc., I don't think we have experienced the fulfillment of these from a Tribulation standpoint. I believe it starts with the revealing of the man of sin, who will claim to be God (2 Thessalonians 2:4).
     
  11. Achilles6129

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    The interesting thing is that Christ also prophesied of signs in the sun/moon/stars:

    "25 “There will be signs in sun and moon and stars...." Lk. 21:25-26 (NASB)

    Sounds very much like:

    "12 The fourth angel sounded, and a third of the sun and a third of the moon and a third of the stars were struck, so that a third of them would be darkened and the day would not shine for a third of it, and the night in the same way." Rev. 8:12 (NASB)
     
  12. keras

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    The Day of the Lord's wrath isn't the end of the world at all. It will be a reset of our civilization, a worldwide disaster in the magnitude of Noah's flood. Do not confuse this event with the Great Tribulation, that will be more localized and aimed at the Lord's enemies.
    How can the last days start with that? In order for the Anti-Christ to become a world leader, there must be huge changes to our present system. Only a dramatic event, that changes everything: as so comprehensively prophesied in the Lord's Day of wrath, will be sufficient.
    I know how we are now seems to be able to go on forever, we plan for bigger, better, brighter cities, improved justice, welfare, education, etc, but the truth is: we are in a fools paradise. God's wrath struck the antediluvian people, who didn't really seem to be such bad types, Matthew 24:38, they just didn't acknowledge their Creator. Sound familiar for today?
    Jesus and all the prophets have made it clear: the Day God changes our world, will come unexpectedly. Isaiah 29:5-6, Isaiah 47:9-11, Psalms 73:19, Psalms 64:7, Proverbs 6:15, 1 Thessalonians 5:3. Why should you be in the dark about what must happen? I Thessalonians 5:4 is clear: that Day will come upon everyone on earth. Luke 21:34-35
     
  13. Achilles6129

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    There are several passages that indicate that the day of the Lord will come suddenly, unexpectedly, like a thief. I take these passages to be referring to the rapture and the beginning of the wrath of God.
     
  14. keras

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    The Day [Hebrew: yom] of the Lord, is just that; one literal day. Isaiah 22:5, Isaiah 47:9, Zechariah 3:9 The Sixth Seal event.
    The Great Tribulation, as we know from Revelation and Daniel, lasts for 3.5 years.
    The Return of Jesus will not be unexpected for those Christians who know that 1260 days after the Temple is desecrated, Jesus will come, not to remove us to heaven, but to be with Him for His Millennium reign.
     
  15. Luke17:37

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    What about 1 Thessalonians 5?

    1 Thessalonians 5:2-8
    2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 5 You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be sober. 7 For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk are drunk at night. 8 But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet the hope of salvation.
     
  16. Another Lazarus

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    It seems a comet will approach and it miss the earth, however its tail of billions debris hit the earth.
    and then its head return and hit the earth.

    Rev 8: 7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.
    8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;



    May Jesus bless you all HalleluYAH
     
  17. Achilles6129

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    Yes, excellent point. So how do you think the real Christians will know of the impending day?
     
  18. Luke17:37

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    Hi Achilles6129. How will Christians know of the impending day? They will recognize it by keeping watch over their life and doctrine (e.g., that they are always making efforts to obey Jesus, and that they hold to sound doctrine of the Word, and not reject it as many will do - see 2 Timothy 4:3-4). If we know and believe His Scripture, Jesus gave us signs (for example, in Matthew 24). More information was given us in Revelation so we would know what to expect.
     
  19. stephen583

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    Do any Christians hold to sound doctrine anymore ?! Over 3 billion (Christians ?) worship or acknowledge the Virgin Mary as a "Co-Redeemer" or "Co-Mediatrix" (intercessor equal to Christ). Can't see how that doesn't contradict with scripture, (1 Timothy 2:5, John 14:6). Also, the overwhelming majority of (Christians ?) today are Pre-Tribulation Rapture believers, and everybody knows the scriptural contortions one has to go through to arrive at that particular belief. Besides "stretching" and "reversing" the context of NT verses and parables taught by Jesus, one also has to dismiss a lot of scriptural evidence taught by the Apostles which clearly eliminates any possibility of a Pre-Tribulation Rapture being true.

    Then of course there is the even more recent phenomena which began in 1910 called the "Ecumenical Movement", or as I like to put it.. The "Big Tent" Movement. Basically, Ecumenism promotes unity among all the world's religions, (as long as they believe in some kind of supreme deity).

    Even denominations heretofore, recognized as non-Christian "fringe groups" or "cults" are welcome in the "Big Tent" Movement. In fact, those cults can't even be named in the CF forum, because of the popularity the Ecumenical Movement commands.

    According to the doctrine of the Ecumenical Movement, religions like Buddhism and Islam are equal to Christianity, because they recognize a supreme creator, or being. Inevitably, Ecumenism will probably drop that stipulation as well, because of it being too restrictive and discriminatory. It's like the Arab saying goes, "If you let the camel stick his nose under the tent, It won't be long before the whole stinking beast is inside the tent with you"... and in come the Norse pagans, American Indian religions and aboriginal religion of Australia.

    Before long, they'll have the Druids, Santerianists (a mixture of Catholicism and Caribbean Voodoo), and the Wiccans joining the World Council of Churches and attending their Ecumenical conferences. For all anyone knows, it may already be happening. Does that seem like sound Christian doctrine to you ?!

    I guess my point is, how many people who identify themselves as (Christian ?) actually are Christians ?!...
     
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  20. parousia70

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    Clearly everyone else has it all wrong. ;)
     
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