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Ten Reasons I'm a Sabbatarian

Discussion in 'Denomination Specific Theology' started by Icyspark, Oct 9, 2020.

  1. prodromos

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    Why do you require biblical evidence? What is wrong with historical evidence?
     
  2. klutedavid

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    The law, the Sabbath, really only tells you that you are a transgressor. The law has no other benefit, it cannot save, cannot make you righteous, cannot justify you.

    Romans 3:20
    Because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

    The sabbath observance is a work of the law. Therefore, the sabbath observance has no purpose, other than making you aware of your sin.
     
  3. Albion

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    When I wrote "traditional belief," I assumed that you and other readers would know that this was a reference to the historic, established faith of Christians, as opposed to what you call "traditions of men." Thanks.
     
  4. HIM

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    And yet those who compiled said writings went around destroying what they considered heretical. From writings to people. So?
     
  5. HIM

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    It does not exist.
     
  6. Albion

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    So,...you're saying that the beliefs and writings of all sorts of groups of people that were not true believers were rejected by the early Christians because these were not in accord with the teachings of the Apostles and with Scripture.

    Yes. And you are sorry about that...why??
     
  7. prodromos

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    Only God can give sight to the blind. I won't waste my time responding to you.
     
  8. HIM

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    You just did. There is no historic evidence in the time of the Apostles to support the heretical teaching you follow. None. The church in apostacy compiled what they wanted and destroyed what they wanted. Blind? lol
     
  9. Albion

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    So.....you are saying that the Old Testament is God's word, but what almost every Christian denomination except yours, whether Catholic, Protestant, or Orthodox, considers to be also part of the Bible--the New Testament--is not, in fact, divine revelation?
     
  10. HIM

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    No. The church fell into apostacy after the Apostles. Except for what we have as the New Testament. The Catholic church compiled and destroyed at their leisure not God's.
     
  11. HIM

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    No this is what was said, There is no historic evidence in the time of the Apostles to support the heretical teaching you follow. None. The church in apostacy compiled what they wanted and destroyed what they wanted.

    The church fell into apostacy after the Apostles. Except for what we have as the New Testament. The Catholic church compiled and destroyed at their leisure not God's.
     
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  12. Albion

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    Except for the New Testament?? In your previous post you said this:
    If so, it would mean that the New Testament was not divine revelation, but just what an "apostate" church preferred to consider as such in its mistaken judgment.

    And it absolutely has to mean that you do not accept the New Testament, as we have it in every Bible translation. Earlier, the claim was made that SDA's DO accept the New Testament as true.
     
  13. HIM

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    The Church was also in a state of constant apostacy since the beginning of time, yet through divine intervention we have the Old Testament.
     
  14. Albion

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    What we and almost all other Christians "follow" in regard to Sunday worship is what is found in the New Testament.

    Although you've talked around the point quite a bit, all that can be gotten from your posts on this subject is that you consider the New Testament to be uninspired, not divine revelation, but merely the preferred thinking of a non-Christian ("apostate") religious body that you identify as the Roman Catholic Church.
     
  15. HIM

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    Nonsense
     
  16. HIM

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    This was the post that originated the dialog. The responses were in relation to supposed historic evidence not the New Testament.
     
  17. Albion

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    If it were nonsense, people of your persuasion would not be terrified of the question being put them about the inspiration of the New Testament books and why such people will not or cannot explain their dismissal of its contents.

    Yes, I know that story about an "apostate" church making the New Testament meaningless to true Christians, but if you use that one, you might as well say, without equivocation, that you are not interested in the New Testament which, as we all know, is the basis for Sunday worship.
     
  18. SabbathBlessings

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    The New Testament is divine and no one is stating otherwise, but no where does it delete the 4th commandment or state that the first day is the new primary day of worship. Jesus in the New Testament has warnings about obeying traditions over commandment of God. Matthew 15:3-9 There is no commandment for Sunday keeping, but clearly there is for Sabbath keeping. Exodus 20:8-11.

    Jesus came to do the will of His Father and kept the commandments of God as our example John 15:10 including keeping the Sabbath Luke 4:16-22
     
  19. HIM

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    It was never said that the NT was uninspired. God is faithful even when we are not.

    Sunday worship as a replacement of the Sabbath Day of Rest is not an inspired teaching from God or the Bible.
    Take care.
     
  20. Albion

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    You didn't use that word, but we have post after post on record here in which you disavow the contents, so you can't have it both ways.

    And, in case there is any question, my interest is not in showing you up or winning some debate here, but I would really like to know why SDAs, at least those on these forums, do not accept the New Testament but say that they do.
     
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