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Ten 1611 KJV cross-references to the Apocrypha

Discussion in 'Christian Scriptures' started by A.ModerateOne, Sep 12, 2019.

  1. A.ModerateOne

    A.ModerateOne New Member Supporter

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    "But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. (Matt 6:7, KJV)"
    "Use not many words in a multitude of elders, and make not much babbling when thou prayest." (Sir 7:14 KJVA)

    "He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God." (Matt 27:43, KJV)
    "He is grievous unto us even to behold: for his life is not like other men's, his ways are of another fashion. We are esteemed of him as counterfeits: he abstaineth from our ways as from filthiness: he pronounceth the end of the just to be blessed, and maketh his boast that God is his father." (Wis 2:15-16 KJVA)

    "And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise." (Luke 6:31, KJV)
    "Do that to no man which thou hatest: drink not wine to make thee drunken: neither let drunkenness go with thee in thy journey." (Tob 4:15 KJVA)

    "But when thou makest a feast, call the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind:" (Luke 14:13, KJV)
    "Give alms of thy substance; and when thou givest alms, let not thine eye be envious, neither turn thy face from any poor, and the face of God shall not be turned away from thee." (Tob 4:7 KJVA)

    "And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter." (John 10:22, KJV)
    "Moreover Judas and his brethren with the whole congregation of Israel ordained, that the days of the dedication of the altar should be kept in their season from year to year by the space of eight days, from the five and twentieth day of the month Casleu, with mirth and gladness." (1Ma 4:59 KJVA)

    "Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?" (Rom 9:21, KJV)
    "For the potter, tempering soft earth, fashioneth every vessel with much labour for our service: yea, of the same clay he maketh both the vessels that serve for clean uses, and likewise also all such as serve to the contrary: but what is the use of either sort, the potter himself is the judge." (Wis 15:7 KJVA)

    For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor? (Rom 11:34, KJV)
    "For what man is he that can know the counsel of God? or who can think what the will of the Lord is?" (Wis 9:13 KJVA)

    "Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver." (2Cor 9:7, KJV)
    "In all thy gifts shew a cheerful countenance, and dedicate thy tithes with gladness." (Sir 35:9 KJVA)

    "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;" (Heb 1:3, KJV)
    "Neither compared I unto her any precious stone, because all gold in respect of her is as a little sand, and silver shall be counted as clay before her." (Wis 7:9 KJVA)

    "Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:" (Heb 11:35, KJV)
    "So when the first was dead after this number, they brought the second to make him a mocking stock: and when they had pulled off the skin of his head with the hair, they asked him, Wilt thou eat, before thou be punished throughout every member of thy body?" (2Ma 7:7 KJVA)
    Taken from: The Pilgrims' Regress - The Geneva Bible And The "Apocrypha"
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  2. Athanasius377

    Athanasius377 Is a little right of Atilla the Hun Supporter

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    This is why historic Protestantism has always suggested reading the Apocrypha while holding to its sub scripture status. Which is why Luther included it in his translation of the Bible. There are really good introductions written for each book of the apocrypha by Dr Luther as well.
  3. Bruce Leiter

    Bruce Leiter Member

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    The Apocrypha is not inspired because the history and teachings don't square with the rest of the Bible that make up the inspired Scriptures and weren't written by the recognized Prophets. They're interesting to read, but don't take them seriously.
  4. A.ModerateOne

    A.ModerateOne New Member Supporter

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    True, they are not inspired, nor are they "quoted" in the New Testament. But, they are certainly good for a historic view of Jewish thinking in those days. It may help in understanding the book of Daniel better as well, since it is history.
  5. Jonaitis

    Jonaitis Sleep is for the weak

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    Should Esther, not just the LXX extant, be in the biblical canon? I suppose that topic is for another thread.
  6. Knee V

    Knee V It's phonetic.

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    Eastern Orthodox
    This question is an example of why certain arguments against the so-called apocryphal books are not sound arguments. If the alleged fact that these books do not have direct citations in the New Testament means that they are of a lower status than the rest of Scripture, then we have two choices: reject Esther and place it with the rest of the Apocrypha, or abandon that argument.

    If all the arguments against the so-called Apocrypha were equally applied to the rest of Scripture, we would be left with almost no Scripture at all.
  7. concretecamper

    concretecamper Member of His Church

    Curious, the same Church that said Luke is inspired says Wisdom is inspired...in the late 4th century. Funny how people of this age, who have little historical and biblical knowledge can claim the apocrypha is not inspired :doh:
  8. Daniel Marsh

    Daniel Marsh Well-Known Member

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    We know that Jesus can read. Those books would considered profitable to read. So, I am not surprised.
  9. Daniel Marsh

    Daniel Marsh Well-Known Member

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    The Deuterocanon quoted (or referred to) in the New Testament
    Other answers give lists, but here's a quick one with the cross-references in the Protestant King James Bible (1611).

    Matthew 6:14-15 and Sirach 7:14
    Matthew 27:43 and Wisdom 2:15,16
    Luke 6:31 and Tobit 4:15
    Luke 14:13 and Tobit 4:7
    John 10:22 and 1 Maccabees 4:59
    Romans and Wisdom, clay and the potter
    Romans 11:34 and Wisdom 9:13
    2 Corinthians 9:7 and Sirach 35:8
    Hebrew 1:3 and Wisdom 7:26
    Hebrews 11:35 and 2 Maccabees 7:7
    Revelation 8:2 and Tobit 12:15 [this one's not in the KJV, but worth noting, seven angels standing before God is not mentioned anywhere else in the Greek Old Testament]
    A quotation in the New Testament (or OT) does not make a work part of canon
    This is important to note. There are numerous examples from scripture of quotation of religious works that are not canon.

    The usual example is the Book of Enoch, with the passage 1 Enoch 1:9 quoted in Jude 1:14-15
    The Book of Jasher is quoted in Joshua 10:13, 2 Samuel 1:17-19, and 2 Timothy 3:8.
    Book of Shemaiah, and of Iddo the Seer is quoted in 2 Chronicles 9:29, 2 Chronicles 12:15, and 2 Chronicles 13:22
    Book of the Wars of the Lord is quoted in Numbers 21:14
    Absence of citation is no argument against canonicity
    If absence of New Testament quotations is intended to prove the Deuterocanon as non-canonical, then the same principle would need to be applied the Protocanonical books of Judges, Ruth, Ezra, Nehemiah, Obadiah, Nahum, Esther, the Song of Songs, and Ecclesiastes - all of which are also not quoted in the New Testament, yet both Catholics and Protestants believe those books are part of canon.

    Some scriptures quoted in the New Testament have no corresponding Old Testament passage
    One interesting thing you may note is that there are works that are explicitly quoted as scripture in the New Testament which don't appear in the Old Testament at all.

    Some examples:

    James 4:5 (Scripture says)
    John 7:38 (Scripture has said)
    Matthew 2:23 (spoken by the prophets)
    1 Corinthians 15:45 (it is written)
    Luke 24:46 (Scriptures, it is written - could be vague allusion to Hosea 6:2)
    Mark 9:12 (is it written - could be vague allusion to Isaiah 53)
    1 Corinthians 2:9 (it is written - Origen and Jerome identify this as from Apocalypse of Elias)
    Hebrews 11:37 ("sawn in two" - no reference in OT to such an event, ancient tradition relates that Isaiah was thus put to death by order of Manasseh. Justin Martyr mentions this in his Dialogue with Trypho, Chapter 120)
    This is interesting, because it gives credence to a current of thought among early Church Fathers that the Jews of their day, who denied Jesus was Christ, had removed scriptures from the Old Testament - and this is what resulted in their reduced canon, smaller than the canon of the Septuagint (which included the Deuterocanon).

    This is relevant to your question, as you appear to be focusing on reasons for the inclusion of the deuterocanonical books as canon, but some of the answers you are looking for may be hidden behind how some books got excluded from the canon.

    Here Justin Martyr identifies two passages that were in his Old Testament, but were missing from the Jewish scriptures of his day (and from modern Old Testaments).

    ~160 AD: Justin Martyr in his Dialogue with Trypho, Chapter 72

    From the statements, then, which Esdras made in reference to the law of the passover, they have taken away the following: 'And Esdras said to the people, This passover is our Savior and our refuge. And if you have understood, and your heart has taken it in, that we shall humble Him on a standard, and thereafter hope in Him, then this place shall not be forsaken for ever, says the God of hosts. But if you will not believe Him, and will not listen to His declaration, you shall be a laughing-stock to the nations.' And from the sayings of Jeremiah they have cut out the following: 'I [was] like a lamb that is brought to the slaughter: they devised a device against me, saying, Come, let us lay on wood on His bread, and let us blot Him out from the land of the living; and His name shall no more be remembered.' [Jeremiah 11:19] And since this passage from the sayings of Jeremiah is still written in some copies [of the Scriptures] in the synagogues of the Jews (for it is only a short time since they were cut out), and since from these words it is demonstrated that the Jews deliberated about the Christ Himself, to crucify and put Him to death, He Himself is both declared to be led as a sheep to the slaughter, as was predicted by Isaiah, and is here represented as a harmless lamb; but being in a difficulty about them, they give themselves over to blasphemy. And again, from the sayings of the same Jeremiah these have been cut out: 'The Lord God remembered His dead people of Israel who lay in the graves; and He descended to preach to them His own salvation.'
    What deuterocanonical books are quoted in the New Testament?