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Temptation - Satan or Ourself?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by AubreyM, Mar 25, 2021.

  1. AubreyM

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    Hello there you and welcome.

    Some friendly questions here:

    When do you become tempted?

    How do you become tempted?

    Why do all of the human race fall into temptation?

    Where does temptation come from?

    Who causes the temptation?

    Now there is only one scripture that is known to me about all of these questions.

    The answers may vary some may say Satan is the one who dragging me away to commit the desires that I do not want to do.

    Here is the where the scripture is found:

    James 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

    13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

    14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

    15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.​

    Do you agree with this scripture or disagree?

    If so why?

    Thank you all for your time and viewing, have a good day.
     
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  2. Carl Emerson

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    Luke 4

    1 Then Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, 2 where for forty days He was tempted by the devil. He ate nothing during those days, and when they had ended, He was hungry. 3 The devil said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, tell this stone to become bread.”…

    1 Thes 3:

    4 Indeed, when we were with you, we kept warning you that we would suffer persecution; and as you know, it has come to pass. 5 For this reason, when I could bear it no longer, I sent to find out about your faith, for fear that the tempter had somehow tempted you and caused our labor to be in vain.

    1 Cor 7:

    4 The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife. 5 Do not deprive each other, except by mutual consent and for a time, so you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again, so that Satan will not tempt you through your lack of self-control.
     
  3. AubreyM

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    Hello Carl,

    What are all those scriptures saying to you?

    What would you express your viewpoint about Satan?

    You actually bring up a good point though Carl; in the way that Satan, is seen in the greek sometimes. You know remember this,

    Matthew 16:22 Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him. “Far be it from You, Lord!” he said. “This shall never happen to You!” Jesus turned to Peter and said, “Get away from me, Satan! You are a dangerous trap to me. You are seeing things merely from a human point of view, not from God’s.”

    Yeshua just told his disciples that the Son of Man was going to die.

    Peter in his earthly mindset - told Yeshua No! You shall not die you will live here on this earth and be a King for you are the Messiah the one who was to come and be a King, you have to stay here! You have to stay here and reign on earth, you will not die!​

    Yeshua rebuked him saying - Get behind me Satan - this is a very strong language to be called Satan especially in front of others.

    The thoughts of Peter are bring forward temptation for Yeshua to fall into - they are adversity in the Lords Eye, they are telling him something that is not true -.​

    So looking at this it seems that Yeshua was rejecting the adversity of Peter in his rebuke. By Calling Him Satan.

    Jesus Christ could have fallen into the temptation by his own lust however his mind was always towards the Father and his works.

    What do you think about these matters?

    Thank you for bringing more scriptures up. :)

    Always a joy to hear from you.
     
  4. Leaf473

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    Hi AubreyM,

    Nice to meet you!

    There are some exceptions, but I think in general the temptation starts inside.

    I've heard that the basic rule of a good con is to tell the victim something that they really want to be true.

    I think it's kind of like that for us Christians. There are many things in the world that can draw us away from God.

    Generally speaking, they promise us something that maybe we would really like to be true.
     
  5. Nathan@work

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    I agree with that passage. :)

    I do not believe it should be used for all temptation, however.

    But yes, man has a 'corrupted' nature - and I would say, roughly, that 75% of our temptation comes from within. But that is just a rough estimate. ;)
     
  6. AubreyM

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    Hello, leaf473 thank you for your comment.

    Hello [email protected] thank you for your comment.

    Hope you both have a nice day!
     
  7. Maria Billingsley

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    Welcome !
    From the beginning Eve was tempted and both she and Adam fell into that temptation. The deciever aka Satan, was the facilitator. The same can be said about Our Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, He too was tempted by the adversary but did not fall into any of his temptations. He was the only one to overcome. I agree. Be blessed.
     
  8. AubreyM

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    Hello Maria Billingsley,

    Thank you for your descriptive viewpoint, and response.

    May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ , Love of God, and fellowship of the holy spirit be with you and all here and your families.
     
  9. Carl Emerson

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    I don't think Jesus was calling Peter 'Satan' at all, He was seeing in the Spiritual realm Satan influencing Peter's mind and ultimately his words.

    Jesus did not have any inner lust like we do - He was perfect in every way, the temptations He experienced came directly from the Tempter himself.
    Jesus was not born corrupt like we are through original sin. Yet He was fully human as Adam was before the fall.

    So for us, temptation comes from our own fallen nature, or Satan and his demons, or both.

    It is common for folks to apply discipline to overcome temptation that is spiritually driven - appear to have victory but not be truely free. This is because the spirit driving the behaviour was never renounced.

    Renounce in the Greek means to speak against - we have to tell the tempting spirit it is no longer welcome and to be gone in Jesus name and not return.

    I have walked out of much darkness over a seven year period and these were the principles I applied daily with complete success - combined with His direct touch of healing.

    We are seeing others released as we lead them in these steps as follows...

    Confession - agreeing with God about ones sin.
    Repentance - deciding to forsake sin and embrace righteousness.
    Renounciation - proclaiming to the tempting and driving spirits to be gone for good.
    Sealing - putting Jesus blood over any access points being used as entries for temptation.
    Cleansing - praying to be washed with His blood.
    Infilling - Inviting the Holy Spirit to have access to every last part of your life and completely fill you with His presence.
    Healing - Asking Jesus to heal and damage done by the intrusions that occurred.
     
  10. RDKirk

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    Sure He did. Scripture even asserts that Jesus "lusted with lust."

    "Lusts" are merely the physical needs of the body and the natural desires of the mind. Jesus had physical "lusts" such as hunger, thirst, and exhaustion as asserted at various times by scripture. Jesus had mental "lusts" such as grief, anger, and even loneliness. Jesus stated that he "lusted with lust" to have that final supper with His friends--not disciples at that point, but friends--before He was taken.

    Jesus was not immune from feeling those lusts...but He did not allow them to master them; Jesus did not obey his lusts (Romans 8).

    I agree with this. For Christians, there is no "the devil made me do it" excuse.
     
  11. Carl Emerson

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    Specific verses please.

    We need to define lust as well...

    The dictionary definition indicates an 'animal desire' and the lusts of the flesh and eyes are condemned in scripture.

    I hope you are not suggesting Jesus had an unredeemed nature and somehow struggled to obey the Father ???
     
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  12. NomNomPizza

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    Satan our Ourself ? No
    Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

    10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

    11 Give us this day our daily bread.

    12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

    13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
     
  13. RDKirk

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    I'm not "suggesting" anything. I explicitly said:

    "Lusts" are merely the physical needs of the body and the natural desires of the mind. Jesus had physical "lusts" such as hunger, thirst, and exhaustion as asserted at various times by scripture. Jesus had mental "lusts" such as grief, anger, and even loneliness.

    The New Testament koine Greek word usually translated as "lust" is epithumia (noun) or epithumeo (verb). All the scriptural examples of "bad" lust use those same koine Greek words.

    And He said unto them, With epithumia I have epithumeo to eat this passover with you before I suffer --Luke 22:15

    Paul, as well, said:

    But we, brethren, being taken from you for a short time in presence, not in heart, endeavoured the more abundantly to see your face with great epithumia. -- 1 Thessalonians 2:17

    The lusts of the flesh and eye are not in themselves evil--unless you follow the gnostic teaching that the flesh is itself inherently evil simply because it is material rather than spiritual. It's clear that Adam himself, before the Fall, was subject to physical hunger and exhaustion. He ate and slept.

    Sin occurs when we let our physical needs compel our decisions and actions.

    But every man is tempted when he is drawn away by his own lust and enticed. --- James 1:14

    It's not the existence of the lust that is sinful, but allowing oneself to be drawn away and enticed, rather than putting the lust in its proper place and attending to it at the proper time and in the proper way.
     
  14. ViaCrucis

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    We are morally culpable for our own thoughts, feelings, words, and actions.

    The devil is a tempter, but even if there were no devil there is enough within man himself that he would be no less sinful even without the devil egging him on.

    Freely call the devil a liar to his face, but do not think that the devil is responsible for your actions. We must stand before our Lord on that Great Day; the only one held responsible to what we do is ourselves.

    So yes, the devil is a tempter, and yes, man's own broken passions also tempt us. It's not an either-or, but both-and.

    Therefore, resist the devil and he must flee, and turn away from the temptations of the flesh; drown yourself daily in repentance, confess your sins, and put your faith in Christ who saves you.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
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  15. Carl Emerson

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    1 Jn 2:
    15 Do not love the world nor the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world. 17The world is passing away and also its lusts; but the one who does the will of God continues to live forever.

    It is not God's will to lust...
     
  16. RDKirk

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    You are misinterpreting the passage.

    "Love the things of the world" means the same thing as "drawn away and enticed."

    Yes, when the world passes away--when we have incorruptable bodies, those physical needs will also pass away.

    When Jesus lusted with lust to have that supper with His disciples, do you think that was not the Father's will?
     
  17. Carl Emerson

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    I don't agree wth your definition of lust.

    The passage I quoted certainly indicates that lust is contrary to God's will.
     
  18. RDKirk

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    And yet, Jesus said that He lusted. Paul said that he lusted.

    Are you simply going to ignore Jesus' and Paul's own words?

    Or are you going to admit that your definition must be flawed?
     
  19. Carl Emerson

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    Not at all - this is a translation issue...

    The usage of the word lust in this case does not differentiate between strong desire on the one hand and sinful desire on the other.
     
  20. Paul4JC

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    Yes that is a key passage....

    [1Jo 2:16 NIV] 16 For everything in the world--the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life--comes not from the Father but from the world.

    [1Jo 2:16 NASB20] 16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world.


    I remember being taught of the three main sources of temptation. 1. The world. 2. The (our) flesh and 3 the Devil...

    While looking at this passage now Satan is not mentioned, but is in other passages.




    Strong's Concordance
    alazoneia: boastfulness
    Original Word: ἀλαζονεία, ας, ἡ
    Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
    Transliteration: alazoneia
    Phonetic Spelling: (al-ad-zon-i'-a)
    Definition: boastfulness
    Usage: boasting, show, arrogant display, ostentation; plur: occasions of ostentation.
     
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