Telegraph: Huge science scandal caused by manipulation of temps for global warming

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Now you don't understand what causes winter? Really? I was taught the cause of winter in 3rd grade. Perhaps you missed that class?

If global warming doesn't warmer temperatures and climate change doesn't affect the weather, then they aren't concerns
 
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See the scientific evidence demonstrating an increase in global temps.

Tabloids lying about the science does not make the science go away.
What can't be demonstrated is that there is any increase in temps due to man made causes because no experimentation has been done to that effect. But I have no problem with people living their lives in belief that they can lower the temps by their actions. Please do. And when they do, then others may start to take them seriously. Meantime, the do as I say not as I do routine falls on deaf ears
 
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What can't be demonstrated is that there is any increase in temps due to man made causes because no experimentation has been done to that effect.

Experiments have shown that increasing carbon dioxide traps more heat. Through the use of the scientific method, this would allow us to construct a hypothesis where we should see an increase in global temps that accompanies this increase in carbon dioxide. This is exactly what we see, and in complete keeping with the scientific method.

But I have no problem with people living their lives in belief that they can lower the temps by their actions. Please do. And when they do, then others may start to take them seriously. Meantime, the do as I say not as I do routine falls on deaf ears

It is sad that people need to deny science because it doesn't match up to their emotional demands.
 
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Experiments have shown that increasing carbon dioxide traps more heat. Through the use of the scientific method, this would allow us to construct a hypothesis where we should see an increase in global temps that accompanies this increase in carbon dioxide. This is exactly what we see, and in complete keeping with the scientific method.
That's all you've got so far is a hypothesis. The next step is to produce the experiments that support or disprove the hypothesis. THAT's the scientific method.


It is sad that people need to deny science because it doesn't match up to their emotional demands.
It's sad that people would freely give up their liberty based on pseudoscience
 
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That's all you've got so far is a hypothesis. The next step is to produce the experiments that support or disprove the hypothesis. THAT's the scientific method.

Here are the experimental results.

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Temperatures are going up, as the hypothesis predicts. Hypothesis is supported.
 
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Here are the experimental results.

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Temperatures are going up, as the hypothesis predicts. Hypothesis is supported.

That isn't an experiment, it's data collection used to form a hypothesis
 
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It is data collection used to test a hypothesis. Not my problem if you refuse to accept the evidence.
No, it's data collection to develop a hypothesis. Calling it experimentation to test the hypothesis is pseudoscience
 
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No, it's data collection to develop a hypothesis. Calling it experimentation to test the hypothesis is pseudoscience

They are observations that support the hypothesis which is entirely scientific.

Carbon dioxide is known to trap heat. We have directly observed an increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide with the same isotopic signature as that found in fossil fuels. Over the period where we see an increase in man made carbon dioxide, we also see an increase in temperature.

If these facts don't convince you, then you have a serious problem understanding how the universe works.
 
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They are observations that support the hypothesis which is entirely scientific.

Carbon dioxide is known to trap heat. We have directly observed an increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide with the same isotopic signature as that found in fossil fuels. Over the period where we see an increase in man made carbon dioxide, we also see an increase in temperature.

If these facts don't convince you, then you have a serious problem understanding how the universe works.
That's the data collection. The scientific method REQUIRES experimentation to support or refute the hypothesis. No such experimentation has been performed
 
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That's the data collection. The scientific method REQUIRES experimentation to support or refute the hypothesis. No such experimentation has been performed

That's what an experiment is, the collection of data. If you can't accept the evidence, that's your problem.
 
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That's what an experiment is, the collection of data. If you can't accept the evidence, that's your problem.
No it isn't. An experiment attempts to reproduce the condition hypothesized. You are free to live your life as though the hypothesis has been supported, even through pseudoscience. You are not free to force your lifestyle on others
 
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Here are the experimental results.

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Temperatures are going up, as the hypothesis predicts. Hypothesis is supported.

I thought this site was interesting:

Human Caused Global Warming ? OSS Foundation

How do we know the increase in CO2 is human caused? There is an isotopic signature, like a fingerprint. CO2 that comes from natural sources has a low carbon-14 ratio. The pre-industrial atmospheric levels of CO2 were around 280ppm (parts per million). As of 2010 the amount is 390ppm. The extra 100ppm does not have the carbon-14 signature. The only other possible source that can account for the extra 100ppm is human industrial emissions of fossil fuels.

And this:
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warmin...uman-contribution-to-gw-faq.html#.VNvhkC79xJk
 
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