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Teaching bibles view of sexual ethics could be hateful under new law

Discussion in 'News & Current Events (Articles Required)' started by wisdomsophie, Nov 23, 2020.

  1. wisdomsophie

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  2. Tropical Wilds

    Tropical Wilds Lord, beer me strength...

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    I think way too many people use the Bible to excuse unChristian behavior.
     
  3. Tolworth John

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  5. FireDragon76

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    Abusive behavior meant to stir up hatred against particular groups of people should not be tolerated in a just and humane society.

    It's one thing to have religious codes of conduct for sexuality, it's another to denigrate or attack the dignity of other people.
     
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  6. lismore

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    Yes we're a few steps further along the same road. Americans should take careful note of this.
     
  7. brudspirea

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    Sure, but what is the unchristian behavior in this scenario? Treating heterosexuality as normative?
     
  8. Tropical Wilds

    Tropical Wilds Lord, beer me strength...

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    In general, I find being a bit of a jerk to other people for living, being, or believing differently than you do is the unchristian behavior. You can be your version of normative without being mean about somebody else’s version of normal.
     
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    Judging by the poor quality of the responses so far, I can only assume that many of the people replying have little to no idea what this is all about, and quite probably didn't even read the article linked to in the OP.

    From the article:

    The Catholic Church, lawyers, police, the BBC, comedians and secularists have also raised concerns about the impact of the legislation on free speech.

    It's extremely obvious which demographic will be most likely to try and use this legislation to suppress free speech. It's bad enough that France has seen beheadings and other mass murder atrocities over the issue of free speech. The last thing we need here in the UK is a bunch of illiberal 'progressives' creating the same kind of chilling effect on free speech by enacting backward laws to prevent beliefs, views, values, and behaviours from being subjected to legitimate criticism.
     
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  10. Speedwell

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    It is normative and will always be so. Most people will always be heterosexual. And most Christians will be taught to regard it as a sin. The question for Christians and the implications of these kinds of laws, is how to deal with non-Christians about it.
     
  11. FireDragon76

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    People can believe what they want about what body parts go where in sex, but I'm done with religions that denigrate other people for being who they are. We simply don't have to tolerate the kind of "religous freedom" that demands that everyone agrees with their religious ideology and what they think people should do in a bedroom.

    Yeah, nobody likes jerks, that's just part of being a human being. Religion shouldn't give people a free pass to do things that would otherwise be mean, cruel, or reprehensible.
     
  12. Tropical Wilds

    Tropical Wilds Lord, beer me strength...

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    Given the source of the article and your conjecture and conspiracy theories, I think we are giving the article the appropriate amount of serious consideration.
     
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  13. Whyayeman

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    Actually, the bible is pretty hateful when it comes to sexual matters. I can give examples if asked, but let us start with the New Testament.

    There is nothing in the Gospels about sexual behavour apart from the woman who was to be stoned to death for adultery. The story has it that Jesus intervened, told her her sins were forgiven and sent her off telling her not to do it again. On the other hand St Paul has lots to say, none of it very encouraging. Most of the so-called christian teaching on sexual matters derives from Paul, and was the status quo of the time.

    We can deal with the Old Testament in due course...
     
  14. JustSomeBloke

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    If that's what you think then evidently you have never read and understood the Bible. Jesus himself reiterated God's design for relationships in Matthew Chapter 19 verses 4-6, when he referred the Pharisees to Genesis Chapter 2 verse 24.
     
  15. Whyayeman

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    I understand this passage well enough, but it is not convincingly about sex. I know this is the bit that is always quoted. It is rather coy, don't you think about sexual love? And there is no guidance for a woman in this at all.

    Women are not offered the option. 'Putting a woman away' like unwanted luggage is to me a repulsive notion - pretty hateful, actually.
     
  16. brudspirea

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    Non-Christians are free to regard it however they want, but I don't think Christians have an obligation to make compromises with the faith to satisfy 21st century humanist notions of morality. If someone doesn't like what Christianity teaches they can reject it (as many do) and they'd have the backing of most of western society, governments and major corporations in doing so.
    Surely one should expect Christian curriculums to actually educate people on Christianity.
     
  17. Old Lady

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    The people on earth aren't clones and have different opinions. I am a Christian; I don't think street preaching is the best way to reach people.

    I also think we are here to tell our friends a little about our beliefs. If that person doesn't wamt to hear it, don't annoy him or her.

    John 10
    [4] And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. [5] And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers. ... [8] All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.


    The sheep will come to Christ. Others won't.

    John 10
    22 And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter. 23 And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. 24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. 25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. 26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

    Are we going to punish people for their unbelief and others for their beliefs? That's not biblical. People who threaten or harm others and their property should receive punishment or mental help.


    Romans 12
    18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.

    My brother closest in age to me is an agnostic. I love him. He loves me. We don't argue.

    James 3
    2 For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body. 3 Behold, we put bits in the horses' mouths, that they may obey us; and we turn about their whole body. 4 Behold also the ships, which though they be so great, and are driven of fierce winds, yet are they turned about with a very small helm, whithersoever the governor listeth. 5 Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth! 6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.....8 But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison. 9 Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God. 10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be. 11 Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter? 12 Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.

    We don't need to forbid or burn Bibles. The Bible tells us to be kind, and to love others.
     
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  18. Speedwell

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    I don't believe anyone is intending that Christians be prohibited from teaching that homosexual acts are sinful.
     
  19. Whyayeman

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    'The Bible could be considered "inflammatory" and seized by police if proposed new hate crime laws get the go ahead in Scotland'.

    This is the first sentence of the article cited. It is utter rubbish.
    Nothing of the sort is going to happen.
     
  20. RestoreTheJoy

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    I agree with you. But there is a demographic for whom any disagreement at all is "hate". They cannot understand mere disagreement with decisions made.
     
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