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Featured Teacher Fired After Shaming 5th Grader for Having Two Dads

Discussion in 'Christian Philosophy & Ethics' started by Archivist, Dec 3, 2019.

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  1. Archivist

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  2. SPF

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    Agreed, though this was a tough one for me. As a foster parent, knowing what children in the foster system go through, reading this made me very sad for the child involved, and very angry with the teacher for causing the child to go through that. It was wrong. Children in foster care go through enough.

    On the "backend" of discussions, not involving the innocent child, I would say that as a Christian I don't support homosexual couples fostering or adopting.
     
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  4. grasping the after wind

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    Absolutely inappropriate conduct by the teacher. Bringing one's personal agenda into the classroom is abhorrent and should always lead to dismissal.
     
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  5. lismore

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    Christ is not Lord in the classroom?
     
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  6. grasping the after wind

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    Christ is Lord. A teacher is not.
     
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    You do not shame a child publicly for what is not his fault. He has nothing to do with what adults do. No child is guilty of the sin of his parents. It's like in the past when children where shamed for being orphans, or having only one parent, or born out of wedlock. Not their fault.
     
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    The child was not being corrected because of the wickedness of his parents. He was being corrected for chirping about that wickedness in the class.
     
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    He has to keep the fact that he loves his 2 dads a secret??? It's Thanksgiving and he is grateful for 2 dads when some don 't have any! So what! I am not pro-gay---but I am not censoring a child's gratefulness and love for those who are raising him.
     
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    A child who was living in the foster system, who’s mom (most of the kids in foster care actually just have the mom in the picture), had her parental rights terminated by the state, and who was forced to live with who knows how many foster parents (many of which aren’t good), was actually being adopted.

    You clearly have no clue what these innocent children go through. Who knows what physical and emotional turmoil this child endured that caused the state to terminate his own parents rights.

    He was thankful for being adopted. The teacher snapped at him. The teacher told him it was nothing to be thankful for.

    Your ignorance is honestly barely excusable.
     
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    My understanding is that the students were saying what they were thankful for. He said he was thankful for being adopted by his two dads. The teacher had no business correcting him for “chirping about that wickedness in the class.” The only one who exhibited wicked behavior here was the teacher. Thankfully she was shown the door.
     
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    The teacher was insensitive and really overstepped her bounds. I agree this was a fireable offense.
     
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  13. SwordmanJr

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    You know something? If others were as unforgiving toward you as you are toward that teacher, to say you hope such a one does not ever teach again (which elicits even the allowance to do so), I dare say that you would then understand how unjust that is. What if others said to you that they hope you never drive again after one speeding ticket? Would that make you feel they are forgiving, or unforgiving?

    Some of you people who slam others so easily for their sins, walking about mostly blind because of the massive planks in your own eyes, need to get a grip on yourselves and clean out the planks in your eyes.

    Jr
     
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    So it is perfectly acceptable for the teacher to be unforgiving toward the student, but wrong to say that she was justly fired for her actions? No, there is nothing wrong with saying that this person does not belong in the classroom. She does not.

    She is an adult. Her actions were directed towards an 11-year-old boy. He may never fully recover from what she said.

    Yes, like all human beings I have planks in my own eyes. All have sinned and come short of the glory of God, and if we say we are without sin we deceive ourselves. But those planks are not in my eyes because I have publicly shamed children, which is what this teacher did. There is nothing wrong with standing up for the child. This woman should not be teaching.

    BTW, there is a big difference between what this teacher did to this child, and getting a ticket for driving 60 in a 55 zone.
     
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    The issue is public shaming of a child, not the subject matter itself. If you publically shame children you should find a different line of work. Period.
     
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    That's the key. As a parent, I would never want my children in a classroom with that teacher.
     
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    You completely misrepresented what I said. Please go back and read what I actually said.

    What? Do you seriously think that the kid is such a weak little snowflake that he can't recover from a criticism of something over which he has no control? Many children have been through FAR worse in life, and have risen up above it all and lived on into productive and meaningful lives. Why assume the worst about that kid?

    What you're failing to recognize in all this is that the teacher can change her attitudes and way of dealing with controversial subjects such as active homosexuals allowed to be parents. She was indeed wrong to take it out on the kid, but to bar her from ever teaching again on that basis....as a permanent indictment leveled against her entire future career? You are being VERY extreme to say she should be barred from ever teaching again. Don't you get it?

    Not where the severity of punishment is concerned. I can expect one of those hate-mongering, unforgiving liberals out there spewing their venom against a God-fearing person for making a mistake, but to meet out a punishment that YOU would consider unjust if applied to you in the same measure you're shelling it out to others, the resulting reaction from you is fairly predicable.

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    She abused a child. End of story
     
  19. grasping the after wind

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    I hardly think that being a jerk by embarrassing a kid rises to the level of child abuse. Bringing one's opinions on social constructs into the classroom and foisting them on students is bad. Doing that as a means to embarrass a kid is worse. Dismissal for that is appropriate. A lifetime sentence for doing that is cruel and unusual punishment. I find it strange that Christians would advocate for interminable punishment and complete withholding of forgiveness. If I were to express the desire to have this single instance of poor behavior be held against this teacher forever, then for me to to ask Grace for myself would seem to be a bit hypocritical.
     
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  20. Hazelelponi

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    That pendulum swings both ways...

    When my daughter was in the same grade she went through a similar experience with a teacher in her school, except it wasn't over my sins, it was over her belief in God.

    The teacher asked an open question - what controls the weather? My daughter - thrilled she knew the answer - said God does!

    That teacher went off on her. Started calling her God a murdering psychopath after graphically describing those in Indonesia who had recently died enmass in a tsunami..

    I mean literally went off on her.. so much that she went to the principles office asking to go home, in tears.

    NO teacher should treat children like this... School isn't the place for preaching on your personal beliefs. And certainly not a place to deride and demean children.

    A teacher who finds it their place to deride a child for things like being grateful he was about to be adopted? No.. she's got no place in a classroom.
     
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