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Taxing the rich to help poor is theft

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by LoveOurNeighbor, Oct 15, 2019.

  1. dogs4thewin

    dogs4thewin dog lover CF Ambassadors Supporter

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    Are those vevses the way you were answering my question? If so, please give me a yes or no answer.
     
  2. Moral Orel

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    I never said that. How could I call you greedy if you solved the world hunger crisis?
     
  3. Moral Orel

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    I never said that either. You guys only see things in the extreme.

    Rich folk are taxed, poor folk benefit from programs funded by that taxation. That doesn't require full blown Communism. Gee whiz!
     
  4. dogs4thewin

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    Except that he did not say that he clearly meant people in his local area.
     
  5. Moral Orel

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    He never said that. And if his analogy doesn't apply to what I've already said, then I'm not going to take it seriously.
     
  6. RaymondG

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    oh, i understand.... have a nice day.
     
  7. RaymondG

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    Cant reason with the unreasonable......lets not waste any more time trying.
     
  8. Moral Orel

    Moral Orel Proud Citizen of Moralton Supporter

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    I said that it's greedy to keep when you could give. You used an analogy where you gave all you could and told me that I would call you greedy. I'm not the unreasonable one.
     
  9. Ricky M

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    I did better than to give you my answer. I gave you GOD's answer!
     
  10. dogs4thewin

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    I am looking for a simple yes or no Bible verses are not yes or no.
     
  11. Hank77

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    See post #10.

    Also..
    The Christians in the NT were not supporting a government. The Israelites in the OT were and had to pay taxes to support it, per God's law.
     
  12. Fantine

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    Both rich and poor are citizens in America, and jointly they decide what laws will be passed regarding to taxation, safety net programs, and more.

    Before you say, 'No fair. There are a lot more poor people,' you need to remember that because of court decisions like Citizens United, a rich man's influence is hundreds of times more than a poor man's, perhaps thousands of times more. The Koch Brothers gave millions in campaign contributions, and as a reward got billions in tax breaks for the 1%. Isn't that undue influence?

    The playing field is far from level. Poor people pay a "tax" of sorts in lack of opportunity. On the poor side of our town, there are no banks. On the wealthier side of town, there are banks on every corner, fighting for the people's money. If you have good credit, you get everything at far lower interest rates--mortgages, car loans, credit cards, etc. But it goes further than that. If your credit rating goes down, your auto and home insurance rates go up. If you live in an inner city (or rural area) you won't have as many places to shop, and those located there will charge higher prices. A friend tells me that the Wal-Mart on the poor side of town has higher prices than the other two...If you don't have a credit card (hopefully one you can pay off each month) you can't get things on sale. If your car breaks down you may have to take the bus for months.

    In the meantime, the people with good credit are getting perks--free flights, free gift cards, etc. We have a Sam's Club Mastercard (the best for rewards) that gives rewards out every February. We have already gotten $418 in rewards so far this year...

    When Democrats were in power, the Dodd/Frank bill gave consumers protections. The rich (the ones with clout) have taken that away. Why should poorer consumers have protections? Why, some of them may own payday loan companies (or, like Betsy DeVos, collection agencies for students in debt.)

    When you look at the growth of income inequality, it seems obvious that there isn't a level playing field. It's stacked towards the rich.

    Do you know that the poor who get earned income tax credits (negative income taxes) get audited by the IRS much more often than wealthy business owners? The IRS has decided they can make more money from the low hanging fruit than by going after the big fish, who have lawyers to protect them.
     
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  13. dogs4thewin

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    Please tell me what is wrong with maintaining good credit.
     
  14. dogs4thewin

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    Yes, they were supporting a society, but there were not nearly as many safety nets. They did not have section 8, food stamps a lot of other things.
     
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  15. Hank77

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    That's true, their laws were stricter about helping the poor. No one went hungry when the people were obeying the law. Every 7th year if anyone owed you money, the debt had to be forgiven.

    Leaving the corner of the fields, grapes in the vineyard, etc. = food stamps
    Now I'll point out that the poor had to gather their own food from the fields and the vineyards, so it wasn't something for nothing which, imv, something for nothing breeds an attitude of entitlement and laziness. I've always thought that anyone who was receiving aid should be working if they can whether that's a regular job, schooling to get a job, an internship, or community voluntary work.
     
  16. dogs4thewin

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    Food stamps though you are not always required to work.
     
  17. LoveOurNeighbor

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    The "greatest commandment" Love your neighbor as yourself is fairly universally embraced by all religions as well as non religious philosophies. That is a simple guiding path.
     
  18. Dafydd Croft

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    I don't think that is working...so much pain and suffering in the World...
     
  19. RaymondG

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    Sounds good. Yet how can one feel that odds are not in their favor when up against someone who does not know the Lord while they do?

    Isnt God for us more than the world against us?

    So I say yes, "it seems obvious that there isn't a level playing field." But God's favor isnt fair....Therefore we are at an advantage....we who dwells under the shadow of the almighty.

    "9 Because thou hast made the Lord, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation;
    10 There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.
    11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways."
     
  20. rjs330

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    It doesn't. I don't think it is theft. Theft is gaining unauthorized control of someone's property. We have representative government. Therefore it's not theft. We have taxation with representation.

    What I'm pointing out is that the Bible does not authorize us as believers to demand that money be taken from some and given to others as a Biblical mandate. It's patently false.

    Now if you want to argue policy and whether or not it's a good idea or good policy to take people's money and give it to others then we can have that discussion. But leave scripture out of it.
     
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