Tax the wealthy and they will leave.

[OldWiseGuy]

Wow. That is certainly a claim we seldom hear. Mostly it is how awful anyone is who has wealth, no matter how honestly they came by it, how hardworking they were, or any other such considerations.

"Got wealth? Then you are evil and we intend to take your money" is what we are hearing from a number of people running for the presidency at present...and it seems that a lot of people are high-fiving the notion in return.

The problem with such 'wealth taxes', such as proposed by Elizabeth Warren, is that when the expected revenues don't show up those further down the wealth scale will be taxed. It's a 'camel's nose' thing.

Warren’s Wealth Tax Revenue May Not Meet Expectations

 

[timewerx]

Data from the U.S. Census Bureau showed that while Florida received more movers than any other state last year, New York's outflows to the Sunshine State were the highest – 63,772 people. New York had the third-largest outflows of any state, with 452,580 people moving out within the year.

Found here

As shown with Apple holding 350,000,000 in overseas accounts because of the corporate tax rate, the top 1% can operate anywhere they please.

Hit them with oppressive taxes, like NY, they move to tax havens.

Has anyone in the “tax the wealthy” camp addressed this reality?

This is a cultural problem rather than economic.

In some countries like Iceland or Denmark, the rich don't care paying more taxes. And poverty doesn't exist in these countries.

The presence of poverty is symptom of disease called greed / love of money.

 

[zephcom]

Data from the U.S. Census Bureau showed that while Florida received more movers than any other state last year, New York's outflows to the Sunshine State were the highest – 63,772 people. New York had the third-largest outflows of any state, with 452,580 people moving out within the year.

Found here

As shown with Apple holding 350,000,000 in overseas accounts because of the corporate tax rate, the top 1% can operate anywhere they please.

Hit them with oppressive taxes, like NY, they move to tax havens.

Has anyone in the “tax the wealthy” camp addressed this reality?

I say, 'Good riddance and they shouldn't let the door hit them on the way out". I don't feel any need to pander to them like they are little demi-gods.

They are just money-grubbing misers who use up human beings and toss them out like machinery. There isn't enough money on the planet to make them happy enough pay a living wage to ordinary people.

Your mileage may well differ.

 

[Albion]

The problem with such 'wealth taxes', such as proposed by Elizabeth Warren, is that when the expected revenues don't show up those further down the wealth scale will be taxed. It's a 'camel's nose' thing.

Warren’s Wealth Tax Revenue May Not Meet Expectations

You are right. And it relates to what I said about taxing people for moving out of (high tax) states (which, by the way, is not a guess; it is a policy that has been used before).

Socialism always starts by positing some theory which, naturally, works well--in theory. But when it fails, as it always has failed, the Socialists are forced to "patch" it up, and that continues until the tyranny (that the Socialists promised would not be their way) takes over, just like Venezuela.

Both of us have been pointing to the same, inevitable, development.

 

[timewerx]

It isn't the wealthy's fault; if you find a fool (consumers)

They actually got you if you blame the victims.

Sure, we are accountable for our actions, but we cannot ignore the problem of being exploited.

Always blaming ourselves is feeding into the pacifist propaganda being spread in all media outlets that should at least make you curious.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Americans worship the(ir) rich; they are highly apologetic on behalf of the rich, and they let themselves and their children be used for a chance to get a fraction of the "wealth".

They are holding on to Capitalism, as it were, despite the fact that the economy is (global) corporatism. That's why it seems like non hyphenated Americans have lost their marbles; the paradigm is changing, and we are seeing resistance in social form. It didn't "just happen," and America has always been divided - and it includes class.

Almost anyone can attain wealth in the developed world. Most simply choose not to.

 

[bèlla]

If it isn't your business, you may have bought the Kool-Aid, sugar, cups and poison for yourself

Is it your estimation most have or is the more likely answer they don’t care? I haven’t bought into anything.

Not everyone is a brother except for those who follow the will of the Father.

The Lord entrusts resources to those He chooses within the flock. People have a funny way of interpreting His will. I look to Him and ignore the rest.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

You are right. And it relates to what I said about taxing people for moving out of (high tax) states (which, by the way, is not a guess; it is a policy that has been used before).

Socialism always starts by positing some theory which, naturally, works well--in theory. But when it fails, as it always has failed, the Socialists are forced to "patch" it up, and that continues until the tyranny (that the Socialists promised would not be their way) takes over, just like Venezuela.

Both of us have been pointing to the same, inevitable, development.

What the socialists don't realize is that even the poor aspire to be rich some day, if only in their daydreams.

 

[zephcom]

Almost anyone can attain wealth in the developed world. Most simply choose not to.

Not everyone wants to sell their soul to the devil just to acquire wealth in this realm.....

 

[bèlla]

Almost anyone can attain wealth in the developed world. Most simply choose not to.

You’re not supposed to say that. If you make the statement in the presence of people who believe in God and haven’t attained the same. Now what?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Not everyone wants to sell their soul to the devil just to acquire wealth in this realm.....

My daughter has that attitude. I try to convince her that she doesn't have to "sell out" to greedy corporate America in order to have a good income. Sometimes I think she is just lazy.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

You’re not supposed to say that. If you make the statement in the presence of people who believe in God and haven’t attained the same. Now what?

Are they complaining?

 

[zephcom]

My daughter has that attitude. I try to convince her that she doesn't have to "sell out" to greedy corporate America in order to have a good income. Sometimes I think she is just lazy.

In America it is almost impossible to become wealthy -and- practice the teachings of Jesus. One has to choose.

And, for what it is worth, there isn't enough money for -everyone- to be wealthy no matter how hard they try. Being wealthy requires there be others with less.

It is, however, possible for everyone to be happy. There is no limit on happy like there is on money. Unfortunately, in America being happy is not valued like being wealthy is valued.

 

[bèlla]

My daughter has that attitude. I try to convince her that she doesn't have to "sell out" to greedy corporate America in order to have a good income. Sometimes I think she is just lazy.

Painting realistic outcomes has been helpful with my daughter. Oftentimes I use real events to illustrate my point. Preparation and life navigation is our current focus. She’s begun to realize its impact on the life she’ll have and the necessity of heeding the path.

 

[bèlla]

Are they complaining?

I think money is a challenging subject and often divisive.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

And it relates to what I said about taxing people for moving out of (high tax) states (which, by the way, is not a guess; it is a policy that has been used before).

Yes - by the states. Not sure how the politics of the President come into it. Pretty sure that taxing people for moving between states would exceed the authority of the federal government anyways - they're not losing any tax revenue on the deal.

 

[Kaon]

Is it your estimation most have or is the more likely answer they don’t care? I haven’t bought into anything.

I think many people buy the ingredients to destroy themselves without knowing it. Some people choose to buy them with the intention of drinking a little bit - so that they can control the degree of their demise. Other people have the wherewithal to at least have someone else buy the ingredients for them. And, a very small number of people do not drink - either by Providence, circumstance/"coincidence", or through prudence.

The world cheers each other on as entities in the background cheer for us to "Drink, Drink, Drink!" How many people can resist that manufactured "energy" in their daily lives, let alone of a mass scale of manipulation and control?

I think this is one of the reasons why the Word of God knew He had to die for all of us to have a chance - because (of course) He knew what the world would be like in this age, and how hard it would be to want to escape it (i.e. full escape = carnal death).

The Lord entrusts resources to those He chooses within the flock. People have a funny way of interpreting His will. I look to Him and ignore the rest.

Yea, well I am also assuming Christians know what His will is when I quote something like that - but you are right in that at least six branches of "Christianity" all interpret His will in different ways. As you said, the Father will cause whomever is supposed to to ignore or entertain it - as well as convict me to change something, or explain further.

 

[iluvatar5150]

If you tax the wealthy at the federal level, there's nowhere for them to go.

 

[Kaon]

They actually got you if you blame the victims.

Sure, we are accountable for our actions, but we cannot ignore the problem of being exploited.

Always blaming ourselves is feeding into the pacifist propaganda being spread in all media outlets that should at least make you curious.

I am not being pacifist, and I am not blaming the victim. I pity the victim in an honest way.
Of course the corrupt are to blame, but who cares? The "victim" doesn't, because they choose to ignore what will confront their reality. My fight isn't to coddle the feelings of the "victim" because it has been going on for too long, and too many people have turned a blind eye to the things we cause. "Global Warming" is a metaphor for the demise we have brought upon ourselves for the ignorance we have nurtured as logic and reason.


However, the victim has to get back up at some point: we have been at this for thousands of years repeating the same historical mistakes we swear we will never see again. I get that humans tend to do this (promise more than we can handle), but we do it to each other on behalf of our alleged oppressors. It was the "victims" that murdered the One who tried to save their lives. It was the "victim" that cause people who expose a facet of the machine to go into obscurity. We do not honor the truth, because we have squandered every chance at receiving it - even in pieces.

This life is not a joke; there is a war going on. The food tastes decent, and the sky is sometimes blue; there are pretty flowers and there are cool things to see. Those are distractions; there are also spirits exploiting us for "consumption", entities that want to see us be separate from our Father, and a curse of sin we must fight against to stay on the narrow path to reach Life. Very few people believe this war is going on anyway, which is why it won't matter if the victim feels blamed or not: the victim does not know they are at war so that they can come out of being a victim, and defend themselves. That is the choice of the victim to be a victim, but I understand the incredible distraction, and massive pressure for one to stay a victim.

These entities that we talk about are just taking advantage of a good situation: nearly infinite resources (through reproduction) to exploit. You are a well-known member; surely you see why we are such an easy resource to exploit - as well as how adamantly opposed we are to helping ourselves. If we cant abandon our parents' disinformation engineered for them (e.g. racism, sexism, chauvinism, hate, bigotry, ignorance, etc.) then how can any of us have the chance of understanding and following a spiritual authority? At best, the lot of us are good for exploitation because we chose to value the manufactured humanity better. But, literally everything has already been told to us, so the problem is our entertainment and interpretation of information, as well as our awareness of spiritual influence.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

In America it is almost impossible to become wealthy -and- practice the teachings of Jesus. One has to choose.

And, for what it is worth, there isn't enough money for -everyone- to be wealthy no matter how hard they try. Being wealthy requires there be others with less.

It is, however, possible for everyone to be happy. There is no limit on happy like there is on money. Unfortunately, in America being happy is not valued like being wealthy is valued.

Americans are pretty much free to do whatever lights their candle.