Survey: Most Americans Believe You Do Not Need God to be Good

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No, I feel that "as you have done it will be done to you" is righteous judgement and they are applying the golden rule.
Yes, it is righteous judgement. And yes, it is appropriate that a rule by which you are instructed to live is applied in determining righteous judgement. For example a law that forbids murder would be applied in a righteous judgement.

Those were your exact words. That righteous judgment you spoke of is not the Golden rule, thus they were not applying the Golden rule, they were applying righteous judgment. Righteous judgment is different from the Golden rule.
Enough, I can't waste any more time with this.
 
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Yes, it is righteous judgement. And yes, it is appropriate that a rule by which you are instructed to live is applied in determining righteous judgement. For example a law that forbids murder would be applied in a righteous judgement.
This has nothing to do with what I said. Again; I have no problem with the righteous judgment rule; it's just not the golden rule. (and you say I have a hard time understanding english?)
Enough, I can't waste any more time with this.
When I've been proven wrong, I admit to my mistake and change my opinion on the issue. What do YOU do?
 
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17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his man-servant, nor his maid-servant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor anything that is thy neighbor's.

This verse, it says that a man's wife is his property? I think we have discovered the issue, I would recommend a cat scan and a good neurologist to get this checked out.
I think it's implied. It puts the wife and servants in a list of belongings.
 
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In regards to morality, it cannot exist unless there is an absolute standard that defines what is morally good or evil.
This is simply false. Morality is clearly relative and cultural. This is easily demonstrated. What passes for religious morality changes along with the broader culture and it always has. If there was consensus on what is, or is not moral, you might have a point, but there is no consensus. How could you prove to me that there is a universal moral norm?
 
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I've read tons of your posts here, and I've never seen you admit you were even the slightest bit wrong about anything. Much like your idol.
Next time you see such a case, point it out to me. It was probably a case where you felt I was wrong, but I felt I was not.
PS I Idol no one.
 
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Next time you see such a case, point it out to me. It was probably a case where you felt I was wrong, but I felt I was not.
PS I Idol no one.

I'm pretty sure you know who I'm talking about.

BTW, the verb is 'idolize'.
 
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Having seen what "godly" people have used His name to try to get away with, it's getting harder and harder to assume a connection between "godly" and "good."

Being "moral" requires no small amount of situationalism, and neither unchanging ancient codes, not the unchanging alleged source of such codes, can be a universally reliable guide.
 
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A new Pew Research poll reveals the fast-changing attitudes of what it means to be good.

Younger Americans have a much higher percentage: Only 27% of people ages 18-29 link godliness and goodness.

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Another interesting finding is that those with more education are less likely to see belief in god as necessary.

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Most people believe a lot of things. That doesn't mean they are correct in those beliefs.

God will make His presence known, but not if you aren't interested. He's a gentleman that way.
 
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This is simply false. Morality is clearly relative and cultural. This is easily demonstrated. What passes for religious morality changes along with the broader culture and it always has. If there was consensus on what is, or is not moral, you might have a point, but there is no consensus. How could you prove to me that there is a universal moral norm?
I apologize for the late response. You are correct. What I meant to say is that morality cannot exist in an absolute sense unless there was an objective or absolute standard to measure it. However, without some standard, morality only exists in a hypothetical and intangible ether. It is like floating in the vacuum of space arguing with your friend about which way is north. Who is right? Yes, in space, the idea of "north" exists. However, does it actually exist in reality? No! It does not. Now if the two both establish that a specific star defines "north," now you have something to measure but it still doesn't change the fact that this 'standard' is subjective. Therefore, it only exists by a collective consensus, not in reality. This same holds true for morality. Yes, it can exist in a hypothetical sense that is subjectively determined by majority consensus. But claiming one person's morality superior to another is like determining the goodness of a rock.
 
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I apologize for the late response. You are correct. What I meant to say is that morality cannot exist in an absolute sense unless there was an objective or absolute standard to measure it. However, without some standard, morality only exists in a hypothetical and intangible ether. It is like floating in the vacuum of space arguing with your friend about which way is north. Who is right? Yes, in space, the idea of "north" exists. However, does it actually exist in reality? No! It does not. Now if the two both establish that a specific star defines "north," now you have something to measure but it still doesn't change the fact that this 'standard' is subjective. Therefore, it only exists by a collective consensus, not in reality. This same holds true for morality. Yes, it can exist in a hypothetical sense that is subjectively determined by majority consensus. But claiming one person's morality superior to another is like determining the goodness of a rock.
Since you are making the argument that a moral consensus cannot be achieved without an objective overarching moral structure, I have to assume you are unfamiliar with the counter arguments. I suggest reading a few books on secular moral philosophy before continuing to make this claim. There are defeaters for the argument you are making. If you are interested, let me know, I can reckoned some good books. If not, oh well.
 
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