Surprise! Donald Trump: Civil Rights Leader

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Geraldo Rivera praises Trump as 'civil rights leader': 'This rising tide is lifting all boats'


He continued, “I call him, to great controversy, a civil rights leader, especially yesterday on Martin Luther King Day, because why? African American unemployment, lowest it’s ever been. Latino unemployment, lowest it’s ever been. This rising tide is lifting all boats. We should be celebrating, instead he is fighting this cage match.
 
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I didn't expect this when he was elected!
I did. Trump said back then that if he got in, next time he would win 75% of the Black vote. He knew exactly what he was going to do with the economy and jobs, and he wouldn't need any of obama's fake "pivot to jobs", of which there were at least three, to get it done, because it was an integral part of his intended governance. His tax reforms, his highly favorable trade deals that staunched the torrent of wealth and jobs bleeding from our economy, finally a sane border policy, including a wall, to protect citizen jobs as well as our welfare and crime load - all were enumerated parts of his proposals. Now add to that protection of religious liberties and defense of the unborn - and these not only at home but abroad also - and you have a great civil and human rights leader.
 
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Not too long ago i was researching the connection between President Trump and white supremacy. Not a whole lot came up. There was one questionable situation where he denied knowing some white supremacist who i guess there was proof they had at one point know eachother

And one more thing in regards to a protest in Virginia where he said both sides are at fault, referring to white supremacists/kkk/nazi's versus blacks. Thinking about it now at the time of that incident i thought it was clear that the blacks weren't provoking the incidents but thinking about it now its not hard to imagine both sides had people who were behaving irrationally. That doesnt seem like a stretch, knowing that all of humanity falls short of God.

To be honest most of what i saw seemed like false claims coming from the Democrats. I saw several videos where they were trying to push the narrative that Trump is racist and has strong ties to white Supremacy.

One thing that was wrong that Trump did for sure was refer to Haiti and other African nations as sh*t hole countries. And he said why would want more people from those countries? He also went on to say we should look to accept more people in from countries like Norway

Its unfortunate and inexcusable he used those words and stereotyped entire countries. I don't think he meant those words against every single Haitian, Nigerian etc. He has a history of being careless with his words and not showing sensitivity. The only defense is that many Nigerians actually agree with him, one example being the infrastructure and dirt roads they have in their country.

My girlfriend is from Haiti so its a very sensitive issue with her but at least according to wikipedia the majority of the countries faith is Catholic and voodoo combined together. They do have have a serious issue with children being kidnapped and made slaves. I did see a Christian missionary was killed their last summer. They also have dirt roads and not a very good law enforcement system.

Should they be called a sh*t hole? Absolutely not. They also have alot of great people and the Christian faith is being spread and growing there. They help one another and are kind loving people.

America is far from innocent. We have leaders that behave like children. Speaking of children they are being influenced to choose their gender. We allow garbage on tv, push garbage music on society and a growing problem with inappropriate contentography in which people have thousands of options for free on the internet. Its become a very hypersexualized society. America is allowing people to be pushed away from the truth and the truth being Gods word. Making money is more important then morality. We have racism and oppression of minorities.

I could keep going but i think we get the point. Its hard to sum up Trump. While it was unnecessary to make those negative comments about countries like Haiti and Nigeria he has done some good things for blacks here in America, despite what the Democrats want them to think. As already mentioned the unemployment rates have gone down. And then there's this

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I guess it can be said Trumps history is very inconsistent. The Democrats sure do seem to fire up the black community. I was on a hip hop forum for a long time. If you made any pro Trump comments on there or even anti-democrat comments you would get ganged up on by the whole site. Even if it was a black poster they would call them white or a sellout (im saying sellout in place of a much more hateful, inappropriate term they used). I finally had it with that place and closed out my account. But i see how the youth is being influenced by the Democrats and are having a seed of hatred planted within them to the point where you cant reason with them.

“Racism is evil, and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.”

The quote above is from Donald Trump. Its a very strong statement. Thug is often a word used to stereotype blacks but he used the word against white hate groups. I applaud him for that

To conclude i wouldnt call Trump a civil rights leader but hes far from the man that the democrats and media paint him to be. Racism is defined as "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior." Trump may consider himself better then all humans but i do not believe he hates all blacks. I believe the Democrats and media have thrown fuel on society and planted seeds of anger and hatred in many Americans. The country is divided but ultimately the truth will prevail and i pray as many people as possible will be on the right side of the truth, which is following God and his word.
 
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To conclude i wouldnt call Trump a civil rights leader but hes far from the man that the democrats and media paint him to be. Racism is defined as "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior." Trump may consider himself better then all humans but i do not believe he hates all blacks.

Most recently, Trump tweeted that several black and brown members of Congress are “from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe” and that they should “go back” to those countries.

(It didn't matter to Trump that some of these people were native-born Americans)


The tweets, aimed at Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY), Ayanna Pressley (D-MA), Ilhan Omar (D-MN), and Rashida Tlaib (D-MI), exemplify a common racist trope used against immigrants and minority groups who criticize US policies.
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1973: The US Department of Justice — under the Nixon administration, out of all administrations — sued the Trump Management Corporation for violating the Fair Housing Act. Federal officials found evidence that Trump had refused to rent to black tenants and lied to black applicants about whether apartments were available, among other accusations.
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1980s: Kip Brown, a former employee at Trump’s Castle, accused another one of Trump’s businesses of discrimination. “When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor,” Brown said. “It was the eighties, I was a teenager, but I remember it: They put us all in the back.”
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989: In a controversial case that’s been characterized as a modern-day lynching, four black teenagers and one Latino teenager — the “Central Park Five” — were accused of attacking and raping a jogger in New York City. Trump immediately took charge in the case, running an ad in local papers demanding, “BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY. BRING BACK OUR POLICE!”
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But Trump in October 2016 said he still believes they’re guilty, despite the DNA evidence to the contrary.
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“Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.
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but later said in a 1997 Playboy interview that “the stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true.”

1992: The Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino had to pay a $200,000 fine because it transferred black and women dealers off tables to accommodate a big-time gambler’s prejudices.
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2005: Trump publicly pitched what was essentially The Apprentice: White People vs. Black People.
(Trump explicitly said he wanted this because it would draw in viewers "reflective of our very vicious world.")

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Donald Trump’s long history of racism, from the 1970s to 2019

This seems pretty strange behavior for a "civil rights leader." And evidence seems to confirm this.

A majority of black Americans are more interested in voting in the 2020 presidential election than they were in 2016, according to a national survey of 1200 black voters and non-voters conducted by Third Way and the Joint Center.

Why it matters: Black voter turnout declined significantly in 2016 nationally and in key swing states, ultimately contributing to Hillary Clinton's loss to Donald Trump. New details from focus groups and polling suggests that the motivation to remove Trump from office is firing up black Americans to head to the polls next November.
Poll: Black Americans' opposition to Trump is pushing them to vote in 2020

Poll: Overwhelming majority of black voters back any 2020 Democrat over Trump
Poll: Overwhelming majority of black voters back any 2020 Democrat over Trump

Since blacks comprise maybe 12 percent of Americans, and Trump got a whopping 8% of their votes in 2016, the evidence suggests that he'd lose more racist whites than he'd gain from black votes, if he did anything substantial to appeal to them.


Of course, if he or Putin's minions just put out some stuff on the net about what a great civil rights leader he is, so long as his base doesn't see it...

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Trump has been more successful at elevating the lives of Black people more than any president since Lincoln. President Trump's key to civil rights success is based on depriving businesses of super-cheap immigrant labor, both legal and illegal.

Now that there are fewer immigrants working for below-market wages, employers have to pay more to those at the bottom end of the economy. That means more jobs for Blacks and more money for those jobs, too.

Businesses are motivated now more than before in investing in their Black workers to make them more productive. The next step is when businesses that depend on the low-end Black labor market start investing in Black communities so that they can get better workers.

All this can be done by capitalists with minimal government subsidy and control once the supply of immigrant labor is restricted.
 
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Trump has been more successful at elevating the lives of Black people more than any president since Lincoln.

Let's see your numbers on that one. Median black family wealth peaked in the 60s.
Nine Charts about Wealth Inequality in America (Updated)

President Trump's key to civil rights success is based on depriving businesses of super-cheap immigrant labor, both legal and illegal.

So his plan is to put blacks in minimum-wage jobs? That would erase all the gains they've gotten in the last half-century. The answer isn't to reserve low-paying jobs for black people; it's to remove some of the barriers that hold them back. Things like “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.”

It's not just foolish racist attitudes:


National data analyzed by Reuters shows minority hiring has remained clustered in industries such as food service, retail, and logistics that tend to pay less and have been quicker to lay off staff when the economy slows.

The fear is that will repeat itself, and that after outsized gains during the upswing, relatively more black workers will lose their jobs when leaner times arrive. That is what happened during the last recession, when white unemployment peaked at just over 9 percent while black unemployment shot above 16 percent.

As a result, past recoveries have done little to narrow the gap between black and white incomes, as numerous studies, including recent work by the Atlanta Federal Reserve, have documented.
Trump is right, jobs for black Americans abound. Here's why it may not last


Now that there are fewer immigrants working for below-market wages

There's been a small decline in illegal immigrants since about 2004, but it's not what you were told it is:
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Not a lot of change. And Mexicans now account for less than half of all illegal immigrants. Asians are increasing as a percentage of illegal workers, and they are much less likely to take minimum-wage jobs.

employers have to pay more to those at the bottom end of the economy. That means more jobs for Blacks and more money for those jobs, too.

Again, you're assuming the place of black workers is at the bottom. And the improvement isn't what you were led to believe:
Minimum Wage Will Increase In Majority Of U.S. States In 2020

Businesses are motivated now more than before in investing in their Black workers to make them more productive.

That's been going on for a long time. But businesses haven't matched productivity with wages.
The Productivity–Pay Gap

If anything, it worsened under Trump. It is true that only minimum-wage workers are disadvantaged by illegal immigrant workers, but blacks haven't been locked into those jobs for a long time.

Blacks in the labor force : Career Outlook: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics
 
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I didn't expect this when he was elected!

"Fox News personality Geraldo Rivera praised President Trump as a “civil rights leader” for all he’s done for non-white communities, particularly record-low unemployment for black and Hispanic Americans."
Geraldo Rivera praises Trump as ‘civil rights leader’: ‘This rising tide is lifting all boats’
Given that this President uses FOXNEWS as an employment agency to for future political appointments, Rivera must be auditioning for an audience of one!
 
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As you learned, black wealth peaked in the 1960s. The now-decade-long recovery benefited everyone, but as you learned, Trump's hatred for black people got him in trouble when he tried to keep them from renting apartments in his buildings. Had to sign a consent decree to stop doing it.

And while there were blacks hired in his casinos, they had to leave the area whenever he or his daughter visited. He explained:
“Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.



Donald Trump’s long history of racism, from the 1970s to 2019

This seems pretty strange behavior for a "civil rights leader." And evidence seems to confirm his racism.

Black Americans get it; about 83 percent of them describe Trump as a racist:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/cont...-8-2020/a41b5691-e181-4cda-bb88-7b31935103d9/

Most other Americans get it, too:

Most Americans say Trump is racist

WASHINGTON (AP) — More than half of Americans, including large majorities of blacks and Hispanics, think President Donald Trump is a racist. More than half think his policies have made things worse for Hispanics and Muslims, and nearly half say they’ve made things worse for African Americans.


According to a new poll by The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research, 57 percent of Americans think Trump’s policies have been bad for Muslims, and 56 percent think they’ve been bad for Hispanics. Forty-seven percent, including three-quarters of blacks, think they’ve been bad for African Americans.


Fifty-seven percent of all adults, including more than 8 in 10 blacks, three-quarters of Hispanics and nearly half of whites, said they think Trump is racist.

It doesn't seem like a good idea, promoting Trump as a civil rights leader. Most Americans know better, overwhelming numbers of blacks and Hispanics know better, and even if he could sell that idea, his base would likely turn against him. The relatively few votes he could get by increasing his appeal to black voters would likely repel a much larger number of white nationalists who now support him.

We're called a demeaning name (which is flaming and against flaming/goading rule) because we've posted many inconvenient facts about Trump's personal racist tendencies that clearly contradict the wishful narrative that he's some kind of civil rights leader and he doesn't exhibit racist behavior. It's undeniable, based on the facts presented, that he does have racist tendencies toward black people (other minorities and Jews). It's very disingenuous for anyone to deny that, especially Christians.
 
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We're called a demeaning name (which is flaming and against flaming/goading rule) because we've posted many inconvenient facts about Trump's personal racist tendencies that clearly contradict the wishful narrative that he's some kind of civil rights leader and he doesn't exhibit racist behavior. It's undeniable, based on the facts presented, that he does have racist tendencies toward black people (other minorities and Jews). It's very disingenuous for anyone to deny that, especially Christians.

I really don't get it. If these guys manage to convince Americans that Trump is a civil rights leader, it would alienate his base, without gaining him much in the way of support from minorities.

Just really, really odd, apart from being ludicrously false.
 
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People can pretend they are mindreaders all the want. They can assume they have godlike powers that discern the errors of a man's soul.

The objective evidence is that Blacks are better off under Trump than they were under Obama. Trump also supports their civil rights of gun ownership and their right to be born alive instead of being aborted.

Trump is actively pushing back the administrative state which has taken vast control over Black citizen's lives.

Preserving and expanding civil rights for Blacks is an important part of Trump's reelection strategy, and it is working.
 
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People can pretend they are mindreaders all the want. They can assume they have godlike powers that discern the errors of a man's soul.

It doesn't take Godlike powers to know what Trump is like when he's been caught trying to exclude blacks from renting his properties, making them hide when he visits casinos, and wants to punish black people who were proven to be innocent of crimes.

And his claim that blacks just can't help being lazy puts a sharper point on it.

The objective evidence is that Trump thinks they are inferior and wants them punished, even when they've been proven innocent.

And as you learned, blacks were financially better off in the 1960s than they are today. The decade-long economic expansion begun by Obama (which Trump claims credit for) has reduced unemployment for all Americans.

Blacks aren't fooled; about 83 percent of them go so far as to consider Trump a racist.

Stuff like:
“Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.

Most of them are a lot smarter than the guys hoping they'll believe Trump cares about them.
 
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A lot of Christians support Trump even though his past is not something Christians embrace. Christians support Trump because he supports their civil rights better than other candidates.

More and more Blacks are making a similar decision. Whatever Trump's past, he is intentionally supporting Black civil rights. This is objectively true.

After all, the media is constantly telling Blacks that ALL Whites are racist, so why not support the ONE white politician most responsible for their improved lives.
 
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A lot of Christians support Trump even though his past is not something Christians embrace.

Nor is his present; lying and cheating are not Christian virtues. Some evangelicals have decided that it's better to turn one's back on the Ten Commandments, than to turn their back on political goals.

Christians support Trump because he supports their civil rights better than other candidates.

That's not a Christian value, either. Those who sell out in that way, merely become another faction among many others seeking power.

More and more Blacks are making a similar decision.

Actually, the last republican president got more votes from blacks than Trump gets. But then he didn't want to exclude them from living in the the same buildings and neighborhoods as whites, and he didn't claim they were lazy just because they were black.

Black people are a lot smarter than you guys think.

This theme echoes a message Trump delivered to black Americans during his first presidential campaign in the summer of 2016, when he declared: "At the end of four years, I guarantee you that I will get over 95% of the African-American vote. I promise you. Because I will produce."
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Trump clearly thinks he should be improving on the 8% vote among blacks he received three years ago. Based on what we see so far in terms of black ratings of the job Trump is doing as president, currently at 10%,I don't see a high probability of that happening.
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Gallup averages show Trump with a 10% approval rating among blacks in 2017, 11% in 2018 and 10% so far in 2019.
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Notably, the last Republican president before Trump, George W. Bush, had a 14% approval rating among blacks in 2004 as he was seeking re-election. Bush received 11% of the black vote that November.
Analyzing Black Support for President Trump

Whatever Trump's past, he is intentionally supporting Black civil rights.

This is objectively false...

On February 27, the Department of Justice dropped the federal government’s longstanding position that a Texas voter ID law under legal challenge was intentionally racially discriminatory, despite having successfully advanced that argument in multiple federal courts. The district court subsequently rejected the position of the Sessions Justice Department and concluded the law was passed with discriminatory intent.
Trump Administration Civil and Human Rights Rollbacks - The Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights

And black voters are getting the message:

Black Democratic voters are energized to vote President Trump out of office in 2020, as less than a quarter of African Americans say their financial situation has improved over the past two years, according to a new study.

A national survey released by Third Way and the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies found that of the 46 percent of black voters who identify as strong Democrats, 57 percent are more energized to vote in 2020 than they were in 2016.
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Trump intends to make the economy a centerpiece of his reelection efforts, but the Third Way study found that only 22 percent of black Americans said their finances have improved, while 50 percent said they’ve stayed the same and 27 percent said they’re worse.
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Eighty-six percent of black Americans said the cost of living is going up faster than their wages.
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And a strong majority of black voters say racial relations have deteriorated under Trump, with 80 percent saying that Trump’s election has made people with racist views more likely to speak out. Fifty-five percent said they face more racism in their daily lives than they used to.

Black Democrats energized to vote Trump out: poll

After all, the media is constantly telling Blacks that ALL Whites are racist,

But you can't give us any examples from the major media? I think I know why.

so why not support the ONE white politician most responsible for their improved lives.

See above. Blacks don't see improvement, and they note more racism since Trump's election. The good news is that their anger seems to be fueling a larger black turnout this coming election.
 
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Trump intends to make the economy a centerpiece of his reelection efforts, but the Third Way study found that only 22 percent of black Americans said their finances have improved, while 50 percent said they’ve stayed the same and 27 percent said they’re worse.

Eighty-six percent of black Americans said the cost of living is going up faster than their wages.

And a strong majority of black voters say racial relations have deteriorated under Trump, with 80 percent saying that Trump’s election has made people with racist views more likely to speak out. Fifty-five percent said they face more racism in their daily lives than they used to.
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Sixty-two percent of black voters said that Democrats understand their lives, while only 13 percent said the same of Trump and the Republicans.

Black Democrats energized to vote Trump out: poll
 
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More and more Blacks are making a similar decision. Whatever Trump's past, he is intentionally supporting Black civil rights.

In 2019:

On July 31, Bloomberg Law reported that the Department of Housing and Urban Development plans to issue a proposed rule to amend the agency’s “disparate impact” regulations that provide anti-discrimination protections to people of color, women, and others. If enacted, millions of people in America would be more vulnerable to housing discrimination – with fewer tools to challenge it. The proposal was officially published in the Federal Register on August 19.
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On January 29, the Department of Justice reversed its position in a Texas voting rights case, saying the state shouldn’t need to have its voting changes pre-cleared with the federal government. Career voting rights lawyers at the department declined to sign the brief.
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On January 3, The Washington Post reported that the Trump administration is considering rolling back disparate impact regulations that provide anti-discrimination protections to people of color, women, and others.
Trump Administration Civil and Human Rights Rollbacks - The Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights

As you see, black voters are smarter than the republicans think they are.
 
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