Supreme Court Seems Ready to Allow Cross Honoring War Dead

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WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court seemed ready on Wednesday to allow a 40-foot cross honoring soldiers who died in World War I to remain in place on public land in Maryland.

But the unusually vigorous and at times heated argument over the issue revealed deep divisions among the justices on the more general question of what role religion may play in public life.

A majority of the justices appeared inclined to rule that the particular cross at issue in the case, which is part of a memorial to 49 fallen soldiers from Prince George’s County, did not run afoul of the First Amendment’s ban on government establishment of religion by sending a message of favoritism to Christianity.

Justice Elena Kagan noted that the memorial was 93 years old and was erected at a time when crosses were a common way to honor the fallen in the Great War. She added that other war memorials stood nearby and that the challenged memorial did not feature religious language.


“So why in a case like that can we not say essentially the religious content has been stripped of this monument?” she asked.

Justice Stephen G. Breyer also stressed the memorial’s age. “History counts,” he said. But he suggested that the erection of a similar memorial today would not be acceptable.

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Too bad that the cross hasn't been properly maintained over the years. It is in bad shape. Perhaps this case will attract attention and someone will raise money to give it the restoration work it needs.
 
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I've wondered why the atheists haven't insisted that the thousands of crosses honoring our war at Arlington National Cemetary be removed.
--or at any other of the national cemeteries where almost every grave marker has some version of the cross. And many of those are recent burials.

Because individual gravestones are not a public endorsement of religion. Rather they represent the religious beliefs of the person buried there. I've seen Stars of David marking Jewish graves in military cemeteries. I'm told that there are symbols for other faiths but I've not seen them.
 
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In todays world, I would not bank on that being the critical difference if it comes before the court; and it certainly would not cause opponents of religion to pass such an opportunity by. Not when there are people ready to sue over religious emblems that are on private property but can be seen by other people at a distance.
 
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It's an historical relic, and needn't be interpreted as endorsing religion. Now, if they wanted to put a new cross on a new cemetary, I think a stronger case could be made that shouldn't be permitted.
 
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It's an historical relic, and needn't be interpreted as endorsing religion. Now, if they wanted to put a new cross on a new cemetary, I think a stronger case could be made that shouldn't be permitted.
Even if it's on privately owned property?
 
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Even if it's on privately owned property?
If it were publicly funded then no. This particular cross isn't in a cemetery but is is on public land (a highway median).
 
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I like how they are thinking and interpreting this particular memorial.
There's some trepidation on the left that the conservative justices will try to make this a defining decision. However, given the cross used to be on private ground and then turned to public park land I think we will get a narrow decision.

There's a LA Times article on this as well:

Supreme Court will look at whether a cross is promotion of religion or war memorial

A little more elaboration on what the Conservative justices are looking at. Meaning shoring up these complaints to put the burden of proof on the aggrieved party. Does a religious symbol in a public place really coerce one to participate in the religious event? That's the thinking and has some on the Left a bit concerned.

That made me think a bit...With the increase in our Muslim communities and building of mosques, how far are we from a veteran of Iraq or Afghanistan to make a legal case stating the call to prayer blasted over speakers triggers PTSD?
 
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Because individual gravestones are not a public endorsement of religion. Rather they represent the religious beliefs of the person buried there. I've seen Stars of David marking Jewish graves in military cemeteries. I'm told that there are symbols for other faiths but I've not seen them.

So many crosses there. Of course it is said "There are no atheists in foxholes."
 
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In todays world, I would not bank on that being the critical difference if it comes before the court; and it certainly would not cause opponents of religion to pass such an opportunity by. Not when there are people ready to sue over religious emblems that are on private property but can be seen by other people at a distance.
I’ve not heard of any pending lawsuits regarding religious emblems on private property, except in cases where such displays are paid for with public funds. Examples please.
 
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I’ve not heard of any pending lawsuits regarding religious emblems on private property, except in cases where such displays are paid for with public funds. Examples please.
I think the only clear cut cases we would see with private property would be overbearing home owners associations. ;)
 
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Interesting. Of course the majority are various Christian denominations which I would expect in the US. I wonder why the military fought Wiccan markers for so long?
At first I thought it would be a problem for Roman Catholics but no matter the burial site the ground where a Catholic is laid to rest is consecrated by the priest officiating the burial.

Can a Catholic be buried in a national cemetery?
 
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That made me think a bit...With the increase in our Muslim communities and building of mosques, how far are we from a veteran of Iraq or Afghanistan to make a legal case stating the call to prayer blasted over speakers triggers PTSD?

Fortunately most American cities have noise ordinances, although many allow the tolling of church bells to announce certain times of day, but that is usually a call to noon lunch, not prayer.
 
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Fortunately most American cities have noise ordinances, although many allow the tolling of church bells to announce certain times of day, but that is usually a call to noon lunch, not prayer.
I would gather this would be local community policing. Thanks!
 
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I've wondered why the atheists haven't insisted that the thousands of crosses honoring our war at Arlington National Cemetary be removed.
To which "thousands of crosses" at Arlington are you referring? Arlington grave markers look like this:

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They may have any number of religious symbols engraved on them:

Christian
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Jewish
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Wiccan
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Muslim and Baha'i
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even (and I know this is hard to believe) Atheist
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Along with almost 65 other emblems of belief.

Grave Markers at Arlington

So why would Atheists have a problem with crosses?
 

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