Supreme Court Leaves Citizenship Question Blocked For Now From 2020 Census

[wing2000]

"The Trump administration is dropping plans to add a citizenship question to the 2020 Census, the Justice Department confirmed in an email Tuesday.."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...9089972ad5a_story.html?utm_term=.fceaf583c5b6

 

[rjs330]

So why don't you go the whole hog and demand a census question about whether the respondent is a socialist or not?

Sounds good to me!

Actually my opposition to the census issue isn't about that. Because illegals can't vote. It's about representatives. The illegals shouldn't be counted towards deciding how many representatives a state gets and how much money. A state shouldn't get more money just because they allow more illegals to be there. And they shouldn't be given more representatives just because they allow more illegals.

My point was more broad about illegals in general. The reason why I want every person to come here legally. When we allow illegals to be here we've seen several times now they become legal by Fiat. Suddenly the millions are citizens.

Gerrymandering is about politics plain and simple. Which side has more power. It's not about racist ideology. It's about politics. No one can help it if certain groups are more socialistic than others and vote more one way than another.

 

[rjs330]

But back to the OP: I hope you understand that even if the question about legal status is allowed on the census, those who self-identify as illegal aliens will still be counted as part of the enumeration for proportioning Representatives.

Yep and I don't think they should be. So anything that helps prevent that, I'm for.

 

[Speedwell]

Yep and I don't think they should be. So anything that helps prevent that, I'm for.

Then your next move would be for a Constitutional Amendment. But I would keep your reason, "because they're all socialists" under your hat.

 

[Ringo84]

The census is being printed...without the discriminatory question: Kristen Clarke on Twitter

Here's a more mainstream source: Trump Administration Drops Citizenship Question From Census
Ringo

 

[SimplyMe]

This is about illegals, not immigrants. The Census question effects all illegals, not just one race. If you are here illegally you are NOT an immigrant. You are illegal.

Sorry, that doesn't fit the facts. The question was not, "Are you in the US illegally?" Instead, the question was "Are you a US Citizen?" The entire point was to discourage non-US citizens -- including those here legally -- particularly non-white non-citizens. Again, read the accounts of why the questions was crafted, which was also the reason the Supreme Court ruled against the question -- the decision largely makes it clear that if they had a better reason for wanting the question that the Supreme Court would have allowed it.

Gerrymandering is another issue altogether. This is a states rights issue. I am totally against gerrymandering. I think it's a bad thing. And just because it's been going on forever, doesnt make it right. The problem with such a practice is it can be used by both parties and we would be completely stupid to believe the Democrats don't or wouldn't use it to help themselves. Just because the Republicans are in power right now doesn't mean they will always be. If the Democrats control the state they will gerrymander the districts themselves. It's a bad practice.

However, the SCOTUS, has correctly ruled that it is a states issue and not spoken of in the Constitution. Gerrymandering is not specifically a Constitutional issue.

Actually, Gerrymandering is done to discriminate on some basis -- which is typically against the US Constitution and over rules "state rights." Frequently there is a racial bias behind it. Yes, both sides gerrymander -- in fact, one of the cases was brought by Republicans claiming that Democrats in Maryland had gerrymandered. Also, as pointed out, it tends to be Democrats that support "fixing" gerrymandering -- for example, in California the Congressional districts are determined by a bi-partisan commission. If Democrats had not done that in California, with the huge majority Democrats have in the state, they might just be able to find a way to apportion the state so that all the Congressional districts would be majority Democrat.

 

[SimplyMe]

As we get more and more people from socialist type countries here the more we will turn that direction. Texas is a prime example of that. The places that have the highest concentrations of Hispanics are more blue.

You mean like California? I'm sorry, Hispanics tend to vote for Democrats, not for Republicans; though, since they often tend to be Catholics, they tend to be socially conservative. This is also why Texas is believed to be quickly turning "Blue," and that the Democrats will likely win back control of the state in the future.

 

[rjs330]

Then your next move would be for a Constitutional Amendment. But I would keep your reason, "because they're all socialists" under your hat.

I don't think a constitutional amendment is needed. The Constitution states that the census is to be done in a manner prescribed by law. So it provides that a law is to be written to prescribe how it's done. A law was written, US Code 13 I believe. So a change in the law would be required.

And like I said socialism really has nothing to do with the census. Counting people has nothing to do with political ideology. It's just a number in it's face. What counting illegals does do is give more money and more representatives to states that have higher populations of illegals. They shouldn't be counted for that purpose.

 

[rjs330]

You mean like California? I'm sorry, Hispanics tend to vote for Democrats, not for Republicans; though, since they often tend to be Catholics, they tend to be socially conservative. This is also why Texas is believed to be quickly turning "Blue," and that the Democrats will likely win back control of the state in the future.

Right. That's my point. They are flooding our country illegally from more socialist countries. The effect of that eventually is to turn our country more socialist. I know many are happy about that because they want more socialism. But socialism never has worked. If it did they would stay in their own countries because they would be great.

But humanity is like that. They don't learn.

 

[Speedwell]

Right. That's my point. They are flooding our country illegally from more socialist countries. The effect of that eventually is to turn our country more socialist. I know many are happy about that because they want more socialism. But socialism never has worked. If it did they would stay in their own countries because they would be great.

But humanity is like that. They don't learn.

Stay in their own countries? Their own countries are broken-down, corrupt right-wing dictatorships propped up by the US. No place for a socialist.

 

[wing2000]

Right. That's my point. They are flooding our country illegally from more socialist countries. The effect of that eventually is to turn our country more socialist. I know many are happy about that because they want more socialism. But socialism never has worked. If it did they would stay in their own countries because they would be great.

But humanity is like that. They don't learn.

Central Americans make up the majority of those seeking asylum.

To which country(s) are you referring?

 

[SimplyMe]

Right. That's my point. They are flooding our country illegally from more socialist countries. The effect of that eventually is to turn our country more socialist. I know many are happy about that because they want more socialism. But socialism never has worked. If it did they would stay in their own countries because they would be great.

But humanity is like that. They don't learn.

Sorry, I said they supported the Democrats not the Communist Party. And the "socialism" which the Democrats support, which most here admit is not really socialist -- rather more of Capitalism with a safety net -- works quite well in European countries.

 

[hislegacy]

"The Trump administration is dropping plans to add a citizenship question to the 2020 Census, the Justice Department confirmed in an email Tuesday.."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...9089972ad5a_story.html?utm_term=.fceaf583c5b6

The census is being printed...without the discriminatory question: Kristen Clarke on Twitter

Here's a more mainstream source: Trump Administration Drops Citizenship Question From Census
Ringo

Well, the main stream lied again.

While not being on 2020, the issue is not by any means dropped.

Trump insists he's not dropping citizenship question effort

 

[wing2000]

Well, the main stream lied again.

While not being on 2020, the issue is not by any means dropped.

Trump insists he's not dropping citizenship question effort

Are you suggesting the Justice department didn't send an email indicating they are dropping the court case?

 

[SummerMadness]

Well, the main stream lied again.

While not being on 2020, the issue is not by any means dropped.

Trump insists he's not dropping citizenship question effort

The Justice Department sent the e-mail. The sad part about this is that you know the truth but choose to act otherwise.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Well, the main stream lied again.

While not being on 2020, the issue is not by any means dropped.

I know Trump has little respect for the Constitution or the Supreme Court, but I'm assuming Trump will not be president in 2030, and the point is moot.

The question was always about the 2020 Census, and it appears to have been answered.

 

[Arcangl86]

I don't think a constitutional amendment is needed. The Constitution states that the census is to be done in a manner prescribed by law. So it provides that a law is to be written to prescribe how it's done. A law was written, US Code 13 I believe. So a change in the law would be required.

And like I said socialism really has nothing to do with the census. Counting people has nothing to do with political ideology. It's just a number in it's face. What counting illegals does do is give more money and more representatives to states that have higher populations of illegals. They shouldn't be counted for that purpose.

The Constitution also says that all people are to be counted. There is nothing in the constitution limiting the count only to American citizens.

 

[Hank77]

And like I said socialism really has nothing to do with the census. Counting people has nothing to do with political ideology. It's just a number in it's face. What counting illegals does do is give more money and more representatives to states that have higher populations of illegals. They shouldn't be counted for that purpose.

They didn't ask if the person is illegal or legal. They asked if they are a US citizen. There are thousands of people in this country who are here legally but are not citizens. So under funding for schools, roads, etc. could be a problem.

 

[Pommer]

but I'm assuming Trump will not be president in 2030

That’s optimistic!

 

[rjs330]

The Constitution also says that all people are to be counted. There is nothing in the constitution limiting the count only to American citizens.

There is presidence in the Constitution itself on who was to be counted. It wasn't everyone.