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Supreme Court Chief Roberts Just Defended The Censorship-Industrial Complex

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Over the last decade, America’s ruling class has used the threat of “mis-, dis-, and mal-information” to justify turning the awesome powers of the administrative state against domestic Wrongthinkers from elite orthodoxy. The most insidious and far-reaching manifestation of this phenomenon has been seen in the Censorship-Industrial Complex, which has eroded our First Amendment, thereby imperiling the republic itself.

Alarmingly, a new report indicates that the Supreme Court — which refused to bring the censorship regime to justice — not only shares this regime’s concerns about “disinformation,” but likewise supports robust and widespread action to “combat” it. The report comes from Chief Justice John Roberts himself.


Roberts took to his recently released annual review to elucidate what he sees as the key threats to the independence of his fellow justices, and thereby the rule of law itself. He distinguishes between “strong and passionate reactions” to and “informed criticism” of the court on the one hand, and independence-threatening “illegitimate activity” on the other.

Among the four types of activities that the chief justice identifies as illegitimate is “disinformation,” writing that disinformation includes “distortion of the factual or legal basis for a ruling,” which “can undermine confidence in the court system.” He laments that the court is ill-suited to “combat this problem” since judges are generally silent on their rulings.

“To make matters worse,” the chief justice adds, citing concerns laid out in his 2019 year-end report, “the modern disinformation problem is magnified by social media, which provides a ready channel to ‘instantly spread rumor and false information.’” Then, he endorsed “civic education as the best antidote for combating the epidemic of misinformation.”

Today Roberts asserts that “much more is needed — and on a coordinated, national scale — not only to counter traditional disinformation, but also to confront a new and growing concern from abroad … [whereby] hostile foreign state actors have accelerated their efforts to attack all branches of our government, including the judiciary.” They do so, he argues, through misrepresenting decisions “using fake or exaggerated narratives to foment discord within our democracy,” or other times by hacking sensitive information “in ways that compromise the public’s confidence in our processes and outcomes.”
 

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For once I agree with Justice Roberts.
Disinformation is rampant.
Candidates for high offices have won on platforms of hot air.
Do you think that "disinformation" ought to be protected by the First Amendment?
 
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Are you implying that Trump is a significant source of disinformation, Chesterton?
I am sure Roberts, governed by common sense, knows the danger of disinformation from many sources, not only political.
Disinformation circulated during the pandemic was one reason our sickness and death rate were so high, as people rejected medical science for quack advice.
 
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Are you implying that Trump is a significant source of disinformation, Chesterton?
I am sure Roberts, governed by common sense, knows the danger of disinformation from many sources, not only political.
Disinformation circulated during the pandemic was one reason our sickness and death rate were so high, as people rejected medical science for quack advice.
What some people say is disinformation, others will say that they are speaking facts and the truth. Therefore, my question remains. Do you believe what you think is "disinformation" ought to be protected by the First Amendment?
 
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There are objective standards to evaluate information that can be applied.
For example, Donald Trump's 6 minute speech in court today can be evaluated using facts in evidence.
May I ask why you are not answering my question about the First Amendment?
 
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“...a new and growing concern from abroad … [whereby] hostile foreign state actors have accelerated their efforts to attack all branches of our government, including the judiciary.” They do so, he argues, through misrepresenting decisions “using fake or exaggerated narratives to foment discord within our democracy,”
I would say that this is a real concern, and we have no great way to combat it. Foreign actors don't have first amendment rights, as they are not citizens. The difficulty comes in the fact that the large social media companies function on an international scale, and the advertising and commerce that fund them is also often international.
 
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I think it is hypocritical of some conservatives who are trying to ban books from public libraries and "white"wash America's history regarding slavery, racial discrimination, along with our treatment of Native Americans, Chinese, Japanese internees, Etc. to be upset about the enormous volume of political disinformation, mostly from conservative "news?" media. "They're eating the dogs!"
Innocent people can be harmed when irresponsible lies put targets on their backs.
We have a disinformation pandemic, and it's not in libraries!
 
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I think it is hypocritical of some conservatives who are trying to ban books from public libraries and "white"wash America's history regarding slavery, racial discrimination, along with our treatment of Native Americans, Chinese, Japanese internees, Etc. to be upset about the enormous volume of political disinformation, mostly from conservative "news?" media. "They're eating the dogs!"
Innocent people can be harmed when irresponsible lies put targets on their backs.
We have a disinformation pandemic, and it's not in libraries!
Just wow. That's pretty much the best response that I can give to what I think is the disinformation in your post. However, as a soldier in the US Army, I am willing to defend to the death your freedoms underneath the First Amendment to speak and say all of the stuff that you want to say. But, there is not a disinformation pandemic at all. IMO, someone saying that is merely using hyperbole.
 
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Just wow. That's pretty much the best response that I can give to what I think is the disinformation in your post. However, as a soldier in the US Army, I am willing to defend to the death your freedoms underneath the First Amendment to speak and say all of the stuff that you want to say. But, there is not a disinformation pandemic at all. IMO, someone saying that is merely using hyperbole.
The book banning in libraries has happened in the town to the north of us (and other areas of our state.) Librarians were forced to resign, library boards stacked with influential extremists. Finally the courts stepped in in the town to the north of us and stopped the nonsense.

The whitewashing of history is endorsed by Florida's and Texas' governors . Many textbook publishers try to please their high population states--so a Texas whitewash of history, or demands for 'intelligent design,' etc. change textbooks for the entire country. Then of course there's Oklahoma, whose government mandated Bibles for all public schools and then bought "Trump Bibles" at $60 each.


Not a disinformation pandemic? Read what Justice Roberts thinks about disinformation, especially foreign information, in the original post.
 
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The book banning in libraries has happened in the town to the north of us (and other areas of our state.) Librarians were forced to resign, library boards stacked with influential extremists. Finally the courts stepped in in the town to the north of us and stopped the nonsense.

The whitewashing of history is endorsed by Florida's and Texas' governors . Many textbook publishers try to please their high population states--so a Texas whitewash of history, or demands for 'intelligent design,' etc. change textbooks for the entire country. Then of course there's Oklahoma, whose government mandated Bibles for all public schools and then bought "Trump Bibles" at $60 each.


Not a disinformation pandemic? Read what Justice Roberts thinks about disinformation, especially foreign information, in the original post.
What books were being banned from libraries? The only ones that I know about are the books that are, at best, soft-porn and therefore have no place at all inside a public school library. I have already read fully and completely your posts.
 
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What some people say is disinformation, others will say that they are speaking facts and the truth.
Too bad there's no way to figure out if information corresponds with reality or not. Looks like there's simply nothing we can do.
 
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Too bad there's no way to figure out if information corresponds with reality or not. Looks like there's simply nothing we can do.
It’s like with guns…but speech!
 
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What books were being banned from libraries? The only ones that I know about are the books that are, at best, soft-porn and therefore have no place at all inside a public school library. I have already read fully and completely your posts.
I see what your post did there - it moved the goal posts from town libraries to school libraries! Slick move.
 
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Do you think that "disinformation" ought to be protected by the First Amendment?
It's interesting. All speech that is destructive to America is fiercely protected by some..because they they value the first ammendment.

But CAN you REALLY value america if you keep participating in, and praising destructive speech?
 
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May I ask why you are not answering my question about the First Amendment?
Perhaps because it is not quite cool enough just yet to come out fully against the Constitution.
 
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What some people say is disinformation, others will say that they are speaking facts and the truth. Therefore, my question remains. Do you believe what you think is "disinformation" ought to be protected by the First Amendment?
I certainly think that it deserves to be protected by the First Amendment. The government should not be able to ban disinformation.

Private businesses, however, should be able to ban it. That includes mainstream media and major online social networking sites.
 
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I certainly think that it deserves to be protected by the First Amendment. The government should not be able to ban disinformation.

Private businesses, however, should be able to ban it. That includes mainstream media and major online social networking sites.
Well, see, we used to be able to better discern “misinformation“ based solely on the sources, random-kooks out on street corners trying to shove their badly mimeographed broadsides into our hands.

With the advent of the internet, kooky ideas came in a slick, well-packaged medium which people fail to see as kooky.
 
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