Suppose Trump refuses to leave office

[HTacianas]

This is an opinion piece from CNN's website. It sounds like someone is having a hellish nightmare:

"Fourth, our civilian and uniformed Defense Department leaders have a role to play. The health of our democracy rests, in part, on not involving the military in transfers of power. And that should continue. But imagine the most extreme scenario, with Congress certifying Trump's defeat but Trump refusing to leave office. In those circumstances, the military would no longer owe its loyalty to Donald Trump as of noon on January 20, 2021. And it's worth asking the Secretary of Defense and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, as they testify before Congress in coming months, to affirm that they understand that and would act consistently with it."

Rather than involving the military, wouldn't it be easier to simply have the Secret Service arrest him for trespassing and escort him out?

If you like macabre entertainment you can read the article here:

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/02/23/op...er/index.html?r=https://illicitinfo.com/3404/

 

[thecolorsblend]

The fantasy land these people live in, I swear...

 

[tampasteve]

Ridiculous. Then again, I remember people saying the same thing about President Obama towards the middle/end of his first and second term. People like to write things that get press and buzz, and that topic always does.

 

[ViaCrucis]

This is an opinion piece from CNN's website. It sounds like someone is having a hellish nightmare:

"Fourth, our civilian and uniformed Defense Department leaders have a role to play. The health of our democracy rests, in part, on not involving the military in transfers of power. And that should continue. But imagine the most extreme scenario, with Congress certifying Trump's defeat but Trump refusing to leave office. In those circumstances, the military would no longer owe its loyalty to Donald Trump as of noon on January 20, 2021. And it's worth asking the Secretary of Defense and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, as they testify before Congress in coming months, to affirm that they understand that and would act consistently with it."

Rather than involving the military, wouldn't it be easier to simply have the Secret Service arrest him for trespassing and escort him out?

If you like macabre entertainment you can read the article here:

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/02/23/opinions/trump-contest-2020-election-loss-geltzer/index.html?r=https://illicitinfo.com/3404/

People were terrified Obama would try and contravene the term limits--of course those fears were completely unfounded.

I'm not worried about Trump refusing to leave office, we don't have to entertain grand notions of military might to remove him--he would be (as you noted) simply be arrested if anything. But I sincerely doubt it would have to ever get that far.

There's a lot of things that Trump worries me about, the wholesale death of American democracy--so far--isn't one of them. I think American democracy will easily survive Donald Trump, a lot of damage will have been done, but America is strong enough to survive Donald Trump. The bigger questions are how will we heal and move on as a nation post-Trump.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[HTacianas]

People were terrified Obama would try and contravene the term limits--of course those fears were completely unfounded.

I'm not worried about Trump refusing to leave office, we don't have to entertain grand notions of military might to remove him--he would be (as you noted) simply be arrested if anything. But I sincerely doubt it would have to ever get that far.

There's a lot of things that Trump worries me about, the wholesale death of American democracy--so far--isn't one of them. I think American democracy will easily survive Donald Trump, a lot of damage will have been done, but America is strong enough to survive Donald Trump. The bigger questions are how will we heal and move on as a nation post-Trump.

-CryptoLutheran

I remember people saying similar things about Obama, and especially about George Bush. He was supposedly going to declare martial law and refuse to leave office and institute the draft. But all things about Obama and Bush were the fringe conspiracy nuts creeping around the edges of the internet. That article is posted on CNN's website.

Are fringe conspiracy theories now mainstream?

 

[dzheremi]

Forgive me, but isn't Trump in his seventies? The idea of a feeble old man (as he will eventually be; if he wins in 2020 and stays in office the full term, he will be 78 at its conclusion) holding the country hostage is beyond ridiculous.

Elder abuse is terrible, but this dreamed-up situation reminds me of this sage advice from the key philosopher of our times, Homer Simpson:

It wouldn't be that simple, but essentially yeah. By some legal means, you 'push him down' (force him out). End of phony baloney crisis.

I don't like Trump, but I don't like dingbat conspiracy stuff either. The USA is not Egypt. We do not and will not need the military to affect a change in regime for us.

And, yes, I would say fringe conspiracy nonsense is now basically mainstream now, and has been for a while. In fact, the current president was once a prominent 'birther', a cause which started out as fringe conspiracy nonsense before it was mainstreamed to a degree.

This is a pretty common pattern of human behavior, and applies to more than just politics, but also consumable media, e.g., comic books used to be for fringe weirdo nerds and now every other movie is based on a comic book; the "alternative rock" of the 1990s was just a repackaging of what would've been called "college rock" or maybe "punk" or "new wave" a decade earlier; etc, etc.

Everything is marketing, and Trump is great at that, even if the businesses themselves might go under occasionally. I just hope that America, now that he has some measure of control over it for a time, is not one of those failed Trump businesses.

 

[A Realist]

 

[ViaCrucis]

Are fringe conspiracy theories now mainstream?

My own state has put out an emergency about outbreaks of measles--because there are people who are refusing to vaccinate their children, and so a nearly wiped out disease has been making a comeback in the last few years.

I'd say that yes, fringe conspiracy theories are becoming mainstream. We have anti-vaxxers and flat-earthers right here on this website. And many, I assume, are sincere and not just trolls.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[HTacianas]

My own state has put out an emergency about outbreaks of measles--because there are people who are refusing to vaccinate their children, and so a nearly wiped out disease has been making a comeback in the last few years.

I'd say that yes, fringe conspiracy theories are becoming mainstream. We have anti-vaxxers and flat-earthers right here on this website. And many, I assume, are sincere and not just trolls.

-CryptoLutheran

I don't want to go off topic, but one thing that dumbfounds me is that people refuse to vaccinate their children.

 

[A Realist]

And many, I assume, are sincere and not just trolls.

I truly hope it's the other way around. I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around such utter stupidity from adults who have at least a middle school education.

 

[ItIsFinished!]

People were terrified Obama would try and contravene the term limits--of course those fears were completely unfounded.

I'm not worried about Trump refusing to leave office, we don't have to entertain grand notions of military might to remove him--he would be (as you noted) simply be arrested if anything. But I sincerely doubt it would have to ever get that far.

There's a lot of things that Trump worries me about, the wholesale death of American democracy--so far--isn't one of them. I think American democracy will easily survive Donald Trump, a lot of damage will have been done, but America is strong enough to survive Donald Trump. The bigger questions are how will we heal and move on as a nation post-Trump.

-CryptoLutheran

America is doing quite well under President Trump.
However , America isn't doing well under liberalism and the sky is falling tactics.

 

[A Realist]

However , America isn't doing well under liberalism and the sky is falling tactics.

It should be noted that Republicans used the same tactics under Obama.

Politics as usual.

 

[ItIsFinished!]

My own state has put out an emergency about outbreaks of measles--because there are people who are refusing to vaccinate their children, and so a nearly wiped out disease has been making a comeback in the last few years.

I'd say that yes, fringe conspiracy theories are becoming mainstream. We have anti-vaxxers and flat-earthers right here on this website. And many, I assume, are sincere and not just trolls.

-CryptoLutheran

What do you think the cause of the measles outbreak could be?
Could it be illegal immigrants unvaccinated children in our public school system???

 

[ItIsFinished!]

It should be noted that Republicans used the same tactics under Obama.

Politics as usual.

I would agree to a degree, but definitely not near the level of what is going on now.

 

[A Realist]

Could it be illegal immigrants unvaccinated children in our public school system???

 

[ItIsFinished!]

Love the Seinfeld response, but you don't agree that it plays a part?

 

[A Realist]

Love the Seinfeld response, but you don't agree that it plays a part?

Straying to far away from the OP, but it's legal citizens (anti-vaxxers) who are greatly at fault.

If you wanna get further into this, you should start your own thread.

 

[Hank77]

What do you think the cause of the measles outbreak could be?
Could it be illegal immigrants unvaccinated children in our public school system???

The CDC tracks where the virus came from, how it got here, etc.
Measles | Cases and Outbreaks | CDC

 

[Hank77]

This is an opinion piece from CNN's website. It sounds like someone is having a hellish nightmare:

"Fourth, our civilian and uniformed Defense Department leaders have a role to play. The health of our democracy rests, in part, on not involving the military in transfers of power. And that should continue. But imagine the most extreme scenario, with Congress certifying Trump's defeat but Trump refusing to leave office. In those circumstances, the military would no longer owe its loyalty to Donald Trump as of noon on January 20, 2021. And it's worth asking the Secretary of Defense and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, as they testify before Congress in coming months, to affirm that they understand that and would act consistently with it."

Rather than involving the military, wouldn't it be easier to simply have the Secret Service arrest him for trespassing and escort him out?

If you like macabre entertainment you can read the article here:

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/02/23/opinions/trump-contest-2020-election-loss-geltzer/index.html?r=https://illicitinfo.com/3404/

I don't think he will be any problem, he'll be happy to leave, however he may insist that his daughter temporarily fill in, until Barron is old enough to take his rightful place.

 

[The Barbarian]

Love the Seinfeld response, but you don't agree that it plays a part?

We actually have fewer illegal immigrants here than in the past. But anti-vax idiots are becoming more numerous. That being so, it's pretty much what you'd think it is.