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Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by he-man, Aug 10, 2017.

  1. Brother Daniel 210

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    What do you mean he didn't teach Christianity who do you think taught theapostles and disciples Jesus did
     
  2. Brother Daniel 210

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    If Jesus didn't teach them then they would not have been baptized they would not have been sent to teach the gospel they could not recieve the holy spirit. They would not have been saved. They would still be under the law
     
  3. Brother Daniel 210

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    No, God is the one who gives life and He can take it away. People take God as a joke but as you can see this is serious business. This teaches obedience that's why people should not add or subtract to the word of God
     
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  4. he-man

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    Job 2:1 shall we receive good at the hand of God and shall we not receive evil?Job 19:21 have pity upon me for the hand of God hath touched me! Job 27:1 Job continued his PARABLE and said 2 the Almighty has vexed my soul!
    Job 29:1 Job continued his PARABLE and said...
    Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city
    and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in the city and the Lord hath not done it? Matthew 5:45 That you may be the children of your Father which is in heaven for He maketh His sun to rise on the evil and on the good and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust!
     
  5. he-man

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    Job 2:1 shall we not receive good at the hand of God and shall we not receive evil?
    Job 19:21 ..hath pity upon me for the hand of God hath touched me
    Job 27:1 Job continued his PARABLE and said 2. the Almighty vexed my soul..
    Job 29:1 and Job continued his PARABLE and said...
    Amos 3:6 .....shall there be evil in the city and the LORD hath not done it?
    Matthew 5:45 God of heaven and earth, He maketh His sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
     
  6. Phantasman

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    I do not add or subtract to Gods word. Gods word is Jesus his son. He came from heaven with (spiritual) truth. To add Moses and Abraham and others to the mix, is adding (ignorance of spirit) to Gods word. To deny the non Canon Gospels that glorify the Son of God is the taking away you speak of. Yes, it's serious. To ones soul. But Christ and only Christ saves our soul. Moses doesn't. Nor Abraham. Christ said that their "bread" did NOT come from heaven. I follow Christ. HE is the way. HE is the truth. He is life.

    Christ arose. The only one. Why would I follow men who died? It's Gospel. It's truth. I am not guided by man (men). I am guided by "every word that proceeds from the mouth of God". Jesus was the only mouthpiece of the Father, his Father.

    If no one comes to the Father but be him, he said that they are thieves and robbers. This is the OT.

    John:
    All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

    Now see it in context:
    10 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
    2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
    3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
    4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
    5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
    6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.
    7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
    8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

    Can you not see that Jesus is the door (to heaven)? He is the ONLY door. The OT is trying to teach another way. The OT men are "strangers" to truth.

    John:
    6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

    Us and we are those that taught the Gospel. All who taught it.

    The god of fear (OT) is not God. God doesn't use fear, but love.

    John:
    18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

    A Christian never lives in fear. If he/she does, they have little faith in God, the Father, because they do not know him.

    Gospel of Philip:
    Ignorance is the mother of all evil. Ignorance will result in death, because those who come from ignorance neither were nor are nor shall be. [...] will be perfect when all the truth is revealed. For truth is like ignorance: while it is hidden, it rests in itself, but when it is revealed and is recognized, it is praised, inasmuch as it is stronger than ignorance and error. It gives freedom. The Word said, "If you know the truth, the truth will make you free" (Jn 8:32). Ignorance is a slave. Knowledge is freedom.

    I am not a slave to fear or the author of it. Most people here are. Hell and lake of fire things consumes their thinking. They live in ignorance, IMO.
     
  7. JESUS=G.O.A.T

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    Your taking 27 and 29 out of context that was just Job giving a parable or speech to his "friends" in the story. JOb gave a series of "speeches in this portion of the book. This isn't suggesting the whole book is a story espsicully since the ending focuses on Job and his life again. One spot I suggest you read is Job 30:20-31 an example of Job describing his circumstances
     
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    It's kind of like how in the gospels certain portions have Jesus giving an parable but certain portions are About the Jesus and his life..... the whole gospels are not just parables just because parables are mentioned and the same applies to Job
     
  9. he-man

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    You forgot the rest it is God who does the control of good and evil, not the imaginary satonic devil. Job 2:1; Job 19:21 Job says "the hand of God touched him" not a magical demon; Job 27:2; Job says the Almighty vexed his soul!!! Amos 3:6; Matthew 5:45
     
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    I'm not saying the devil has uncontrollable power over evil in fact Jesus tells the devil this Luke 4:8. And he had to ask God to address Job so I agree with you that God controls all good and evil. And the devil being part of that evil.
     
  11. he-man

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    It was not a devil it was one of the Sons of God employed to test Job. Job 1:6, 2:1, Job 2:10 You speak as one of the foolish women, What? shall we receive good at the hand of God and shall we not receive evil?
     
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    Luke 24:7 beginning with Moses; Luke 24:44 my wordswhich were spoken to in the law of Moses and the prophets concerning me; Luke 24:45 opened their minds; Romans 15:4; things written aforetime were written for our instruction; Romans 15:26
     
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    That verse says Satan also came among them
     
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    That verse Job 1:6 says in Hebrew H7853 to act as an adversary. Do you think God allows
    an opponent to be personally involved in making a decision for him? What do you think "among" them means? The Angel was acting as an adversary to test Job in the parable.
     
  15. he-man

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    So you think God is the devil since Job says it was by the hand of God? Job 19:21
     
  16. JESUS=G.O.A.T

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    God gave Satan the go ahead early in Job so yes it was by his hand or his approval that this was carried out.
     
  17. Brother Daniel 210

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    Dont think I'm even on the right thread but your the right person I been reading back and forth all morning and you are absolutely right worshipping one is like worshipping the other I apologize I was wrong Jesus never stopped them from worshipping him IF it was wrong he would have corrected them you are right
     
  18. Phantasman

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    John 6:32

    The law was physical, Jesus commandments spiritual. Romans 13:9

    The OT is a time of angels. Truth in part. Perfect has come.

    Stephen was stoned to death for showing the Jews that angels, not God, drove Moses. Acts 7

    30 And when forty years were expired, there appeared to him in the wilderness of mount Sina an angel of the Lord in a flame of fire in a bush.
    31 When Moses saw it, he wondered at the sight: and as he drew near to behold it, the voice of the Lord came unto him,
    32 Saying, I am the God of thy fathers, the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. Then Moses trembled, and durst not behold.

    51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
    52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
    53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

    The Spirit has say on who to listen to:

    Matthew:
    3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
    4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
    5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
    6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.

    That would be enough for me to boot Moses and Elias. Guess you had to be there.
     
  19. he-man

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    Well you are getting closer to the truth now so you have no excuses Romans 1:18. Job 2:10 shall we receive good from the hand of God and shall we not receive evil from the hand of God. Job 27:2 Job says he was vexed by the Almighty and not by some unknown creature.
     
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    Matthew 17:8 And lifting up their eyes they saw no one save Jesus alone.
     
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