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Superman's son comes out as bisexual in a new comic.

Discussion in 'The Kitchen Sink' started by jayem, Oct 14, 2021.

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  1. Bradskii

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    I think he could have got his real dad's name in there somewhere.
     
  2. Bradskii

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    How about you two young boys coming on a trip overseas with me? Hold on to me nice and tight...
     
  3. Gene2memE

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    Except all of those female Jedi I mentioned (with the exception of Nomi Sunrider) were from either the original trilogy or the prequel trilogy. Most of them were masters on the council

    Just because there wasn't a female Jedi protagonist in the first two trilogies, doesn't mean there weren't female Jedi in universe.

    There's an awful lot of rubbish too. I'm looking at my 'Star Wars' book shelf at the moment, and there's more than 150 pre-Disney EU novels there (and about 15 post Disney ones). I'd say there's only about 30 EU novels that count as 'good' - and most of those aren't tentpole movie sort of stories.

    Part of the problem was laziness. There was so much EU content Abrams and Kennedy borrowed elements without really having a proper appreciation for the where a lot of the plot points, characters and world building elements ended up at, and the process taken to get there. Like grabbing a kettle and not understanding why its hot.

    They shoehorned a lot of stuff into the sequel trilogy that didn't mesh well together. There's elements of Zahn's 'Thrawn Trilogy' in the general setting (which are considered some of the best EU writing), but Zahn at least gave us a proper explanation for the fall of the Empire.

    There bits of Dark Empire, the Jedi Academy trilogy, Fate of the Jedi and the Thrawn Trilogy again in the plotting - which is a super mixed bag, because some of its great and some of its execrable.

    There are lots of parts of The New Jedi Order and Legacy of the Force series in the characters (particularly Ben/Kylo, Luke and Leia) and some other character elements taken from a bunch of other places.

    What original source material?

    If you're going with the High Republic as a lead in to a new Star Wars trilogy, you're swimming uphill. Particularly in the risk averse studio environment.

    Listen to some of the interviews with Lawrence Kasdan (who wrote Empire, Jedi and The Force Awakens) about the writing process - Disney had put $2.2 billion in cash plus about 37 million shares (then worth about $50 a share, now worth nearly $200 a share) in buying Star Wars and it wanted a win straight away.

    If you're going with post Return of the Jedi EU, that's a total no go because you want your familiar characters as audience touchstones, and there's no way to do that with the EU content as it is.

    If you want to see how to bring in EU content into the Star Wars universe, look at the Mandalorian and the Rebels cartoon and the final Clone Wars season. Filoni has a proper understanding of what worked and what didn't in the EU - and he borrowed only the bits that worked within the setting and story he was telling.
     
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  4. Pavel Mosko

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    Yeah that kind of was what the Clone wars was good at giving all those people lines and featured stories that mostly acted like scenery in the prequal trilogy.

    I was drawing a comparison how the original Walking Dead TV series stuck pretty close to the earlier Walking Dead comic books (Which I never read but read about online), compared to the Abrahams movies that sorta drew a little inspiration from some of the Jacen Solo stories for Kylo Ren but mostly did their own thing.
     
  5. Bradskii

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    They lost me with Solo's 15 parsecs. Post hoc justification didn't save me from immediately realising that the writers had no idea what a parsec was. Nothing else rings true after that.

    There's a scene in the Godfather where Sonny is beating up his brother-in-law for hitting his sister. There's one long shot where a Sonny haymaker misses by a foot but Rizzi's head snaps back. It's so obvious it beats me why they didn't cut it. I'll watch the film any time it's on but if something is obviously wrong it spoils the whole film. So I literally have to turn away at that moment. Don't watch the clip if you feel the same way (slow it down at 28 seconds):

     
  6. Gene2memE

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    Your suspension of disbelief threshold in a movie about magical knights and space wizards was terminological accuracy?
     
  7. pitabread

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    Lucas started ruining Star Wars looooooong before Disney got involved.
     
  8. pitabread

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    Judging by the reactions to this in this thread, this is exactly the type of thing which is needed (in reference to the OP).
     
  9. Pavel Mosko

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    lol yeah he did make some decisions I was less than happy with. Midicholorians, Jar Jar Binks

    And the line from Revenge of Sith, "Only the Sith deal in absolutes!" was kind of a way of working in some kind of social commentary against the war against Terror I suspect but sort of ignored the Jedi code depicted in the original Star Wars movie where the Jedi's "never use the Force to attack" etc.
     
  10. Bradskii

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    Oddly, yes. I can cope with fantasy (Lord of The Rings etc) and I don't mind some Space Opera (Star Wars etc). But I prefer hard sci fi (The Martian being a great example). If it's mix and match I don't mind but it has to be coherent and structurally consistent.

    But maybe I'm overthinking this...
     
  11. Clizby WampusCat

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    This should be a violation of the rules here. Saying these people are worthy of death.
     
  12. Gene2memE

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    Star Wars isn't even Space Opera - it's Space Fantasy.
     
  13. Bradskii

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    I'm happy with how it's defined in wiki:

    'Space opera is a subgenre of science fiction that emphasizes science fictional space warfare, with use of melodramatic, risk-taking space adventures and chivalric romance. Set mainly or entirely in outer space it features technological and social advancements (or lack thereof) in faster-than-light travel, futuristic weapons and sophisticated technology on backdrop of galactic empires and interstellar wars with fictional aliens often in fictional galaxies. The term has no relation to music, as in a traditional opera, but is instead a play on the terms "soap opera", a melodramatic television series, and "horse opera",[1] which was coined during the 1930s to indicate a clichéd and formulaic Western movie. Space operas emerged in the 1930s and continue to be produced in literature, film, comics, television, and video games.

    An early film which was based on space-opera comic strips was Flash Gordon (1936), created by Alex Raymond.[2] Star Wars films (1977–) by George Lucas and Star Trek TV series (1966–) by Gene Roddenberry, brought a great deal of attention to the sub-genre.'

    If you're a big fan, you might prefer a different definition. But the force was never with me.
     
  14. Hammster

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    I quoted scripture in context.
     
  15. pitabread

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    If someone quotes Mein Kampf in context is that also okay?
     
  16. Bradskii

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    That was the problem.
     
  17. Hammster

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    It’s better than quoting it out of context, I suppose.
     
  18. Hammster

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    Why? It’s Christian Forums. I am pretty sure it’s allowed.
     
  19. Clizby WampusCat

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    I understand what your bible says. It says that homosexuals are worthy of death. That kind of language should be pushed back on.
     
  20. Hammster

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    It says that all sinners are worthy of death.
     
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