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Super interesting survey on gender equality and perceptions concerning reporductive rights

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by Gene2memE, Aug 22, 2019.

  1. Gene2memE

    Gene2memE Newbie

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    Survey of a little over 1900 'likely 2020 voters'
    https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthe...29aa78e37ebdf2fe686/optimized/full.pdf#page=1

    Some key take-aways:

    1. Many voters are angry and worried about the state of women’s rights and gender equality in the country.
    2. Women across nearly every demographic segment are more likely to think President Trump has made things worse, rather than better, for women.
    3. Women voters connect a number of issues to gender equality, including violence against women, equal pay, paid family leave, and access to abortion.
    4. The recent abortion bans aggravated and elevated feelings about the state of women’s rights.
    5. Anti-abortion voters are among the most likely – if not the most likely – segment to hold inegalitarian views.
    6. Democratic voters are more unified and mobilized around abortion than Republican voters are.
    7. The way women are treated in society is a top voting issue for Democratic women voters, but not Republican women voters.
    8. Democratic women are most likely to feel that the 2020 elections are “more important than usual.” Republican women are least likely to feel the upcoming elections are atypical.​

    Other points I found interesting:

    77% of Republican men said there was full gender equality (the highest response by ~13% and well ahead of 54% of Republican women saying the same thing). Only 12% of Democratic women though there was full gender equality.

    Women generally are more angry, scared, nervous or sad about the state of the US than their male counterparts

    Muslim women were viewed as having the hardest time in the US at the moment (followed by immigrants then LBT women). Men were viewed as having the best.

    Less than an third of people think President Trump has made things better for women rather than worse

    Less than a quarter all voters think President Trump “probably has not” sexually assaulted women

    There is evidence of a new trend that Democratic voters may be more likely than Republicans to be “single-issue” abortion voters

    Top issues for women in 2020, in order were:
    Government corruption
    Health care costs
    Economy
    Supreme Court justices
    Gun laws/immigration (tied)

    Least important issues were:
    Paid family leave
    LGBTQ rights
    Childchare
    Housing

    Biggest political affiliation splits for women were on:
    Climate Change (issue for Ds, but not Rs, mixed for Indpendents)
    Illegal immigration (issue for Rs, but not so much of Ds and Independents)
    Separation of immigrant families (issue for Ds, but not Rs and Independents)
    Abortion rights (issue for Ds, less so for Rs and Independents)
    Treatment of women/treatment of minorities (issue for Ds, but not Rs, mixed for Indpendents)

    Republicans, and specifically Republican women, least likely to view women as a "powerful force for positive change"
     
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  2. zephcom

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    It never ceases to amaze me that conservative women are so complacent with a subservient role in the country.

    It is likely because they were raised in conservative families and just learned that life is smoother if they just go along with the 'family'. But one would hope that in the privacy of the voting booth some would rebel against their oppressors and pull a different lever.
     
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  3. SoldierOfTheKing

    SoldierOfTheKing Christian Spenglerian

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    It doesn't occur to you that they wouldn't view their own families as their enemies?
     
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  4. The IbanezerScrooge

    The IbanezerScrooge Active Member

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    That is actually pretty surprising.
     
  5. blackribbon

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    The only thing that is obvious is that more liberals were surveyed than conservatives. Most the women I know are believe the opposite of the "findings".

    I have no idea where women are not treated as equals in the US. And actually, women are more likely to oppress other women in the workplace. The fact that women make less is because of outside factors under the women's control. They tend to chose professions that pay less (something that can be researched before picking a college major). They tend to work less hours or take time off (meaning less senority) to raise families. Again, an option because there is nothing that says the man can't stay home and raise children (I know men who have taken this route).

    I am not subservient to a man because I did take time off to raise my family and be a stay-at-home mom. I considered it a privilege and was very grateful that my husband put our kids as the priority in our life over being a two income family. I am now a professional women and am not subservient to my male coworkers.

    And although I reluctantly voted for Trump in the last election (Hilary was totally incompetent and everything I don't admire in professional women) and am looking forward to voting for him this time. I know plenty of women who are big Trump supporters. However, the liberals make it so that I don't feel safe to express my opinions in public. So conservative women may have passed over this survey even if they were invited to participate.
     
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  6. zephcom

    zephcom Well-Known Member

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    Stockholm Syndrome. I suppose that could explain it.
     
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  7. Gene2memE

    Gene2memE Newbie

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    You cant draw that conclusion at all. The survey was deliberately oversampled (1912 responses for a n = 1000 likely voters finding), which means such imbalances would be eliminated.

    Even if there was, selection bias is a known thing and results would also be weighted to account for such imbalances.

    Congratulations, you have confirmation and selection bias of your own. Your personal, anecdotal experience is in all likelihood not reflective of the borader national experience.

    You have a self selecting bais, probably induced by a combination of your economic situation, geography, demography, cultural background and general personal/social preferences.

    This is why nationwide surveys are performed, to eliminate systematic biases in reporting.

    Having worked in several US states around the Pacific Northwest as a teacher (albeit about 15 years ago), I could name a few towns and cities where it was rife.

    Depends on your definition of 'oppress but yes, 'Queen Bee Syndrome' is a real thing. Women tend to be both more bullied and bully others more in the workplace.

    Sometimes yes, sometimes no. If there is systematic underpaying in a labour market - for the same job - it generally (but not always) happens to women, not men.

    The US BLR found in 2017 that about 1 in 4 women have had an experience of being underpaid compared to a male counterpart in the same role with the same level experience/seniority level. In contrast, about 1 in 20 men had the same experience compared to a female counterpart.

    These are different issues to systematic discrimination against women. A school of red herrings.

    Sure, there are conservative women who are strong Trump supporters.

    What about the following categories though?
    Conservative women who aren't Trump supporters;
    Independent leaning women;
    Liberal/Democrat leaning women.

    Also, I don't think you fully understand how oversampling and survey response selection works if you think that the survey under-represents a particular category.
     
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  8. SoldierOfTheKing

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    Or they know who actually cares about them. That feminism has nothing to offer them, because can only turn them against the men in their lives, into fights that nobody will win. That to a feminist they can never be anything more than a replaceable pawn. Funny them, they find being wives and mothers more fulfilling.
     
  9. zephcom

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    Definitely Stockholm Syndrome.
     
  10. SoldierOfTheKing

    SoldierOfTheKing Christian Spenglerian

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    Truly sad that the love of family is so foreign to you.
     
  11. zephcom

    zephcom Well-Known Member

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    I just think women should be on the receiving end of family love too.
     
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  12. SoldierOfTheKing

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    As do I. Such women will have no use for feminism. They will have no reason to see their family as oppressors.
     
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  13. blackribbon

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    There were less than 2000 people surveyed. The article does not show the questions in the survey. And if you know so much about surveys, you know how a question is worded can lead how a person might answer it. We also don't know what kind of population participates in yougov type surveys. I know I have never heard of it and don't take surveys.
    My opinion is my opinion. It can't be wrong because it is my opinion. Your evidence is like mine at this moment and only anecdotal, not more or less valid. And remember that surveys said Hillary would beat Trump by a significant margin. My blue state voted red in that election and I have hope that it might do so again in 2020 after the 2018 state elections swung back blue...and those democrats have already broken significant campaign promises which were the reason they were elected.
     
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  14. blackribbon

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    There were 1912 likely 2020 voters (what is a "likely voter"...not defined). 958 of those sampled were minority grouped women. It does not mention how many men were sample since based on some of the charts, it is obvious men were polled. And how many women were "white". 60% of the US is white so that super sampling doesn't account for an appropriate sampling of the general population even when "weighted down" if not enough of the majority population was even included in the sampling. The article doesn't give enough information to show if the study is a good one or sampled a broad enough population to be a good indicator. We have more nurses working in my single hospital than were included in that relatively small survey.
     
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  15. KCfromNC

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    If true, that matches the demographics of the country. Welcome to being a minority. Luckily you have nothing to worry about given how everyone is treated equally - or if they aren't, it is "because of outside factors under the [person's] control".

    All of them?
     
  16. KCfromNC

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    Show us how this is a problem - let's see the math underlying your concerns about the sample size.

    Uh, a survey like this is kinda the exact opposite of anecdotal.

    And she did. Your point?
     
  17. essentialsaltes

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    It's not your place to tell women what to think. That's for her father or husband to do.
     
  18. blackribbon

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    Enough of them. I haven't actually talked to all of them.

    .0006% of the US population is hardly a good sample to determine how all US women feel. Not without a lot more definitions of what people were sampled. If you sampled 2000 people from Detroit, MI you would likely get an entirely different result than 2000 people from Dallas, TX.

    How were the people polled chosen? Did the people polled volunteer or were they solicitated? What number of people rejected completing the poll?

    A survey needs to include this information for it to be taken seriously. Again, this survey doesn't even identify how many women or men were surveyed. It is hardly a "good" predictor of how women in the US feel as it stands. Maybe the actual study has information which prove it to be a good sampling or not a good sampling...but what we have access to is very lacking in evidence to show that it is a study worth considering.

    Look around you and see how many biased surveys are published on almost a daily basis. A survey is only as good as its methods and sample. (and I think it is odd that 1/2 of those surveyed were identified as minority women then the numbers were manipulated down to represent those opinions as a real representation of their percentages in the real general population.) That sounds like a lot of manipulating and not having a fair representation of non-minority women and of all men.
     
  19. KCfromNC

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    Anyone else appreciate the irony here? The assertion that sampling the views of some groups is enough to get an accurate read on their opinions, followed in the next sentence asserting that sampling the views of some groups is no way to get an accurate read on their opinions.

    It's the kind of thing I'd expect to read in a post just randomly throwing stuff out to dismiss an uncomfortable result.
     
  20. David Brider

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    My wife and I are very much committed feminists, and what you’ve just said is complete gibberish! Feminism does not, in any way, turn women against the men in their lives. If it did, then my wife would be against me. And she’s not...
     
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