Sudden destruction following "peace and saftey"

[Douggg]

Tell me, who says "Peace and safety?" Who is it that "THINKS" they are at peace with God, and that THINKS they are safe from within the House of God, but will have travail as a woman with child?

You are not understanding what Paul is saying to the Thessalonians. In the previous chapter, he had just got through telling them about the resurrection of the dead and the rapture of the living. Whether asleep or alive, at the time.

Chapter 5, he is just continuing as to say "when". It will be before the Day of the Lord begins, suddenly, totally surprising them who are unsaved.... and are thinking they are living at a time of peace and safety, in a perceived by them, albeit false, messianic age. The false messianic age will not begin until right after Gog/Magog. So no-one is saying "peace and safety" right now.

And Paul gives the conditions right before the Day of the Lord begins in 1Thesslaonians5, and then later in 2Thessalonains2 (the great falling and the man of sin being revealed) . And Paul indicates Christians will not have to go through it, but taken out of the world in the resurrection/rapture.

Travailing as a woman about to give birth, goes back to Isaiah 66, of when the Jews will become Christians and be saved. A nation born in one day is Israel in May 14, 1948. Zion will travail when the Day of the Lord begins and bring forth her children - another way of saying the Jews will embrace Jesus at that time.

Isaiah 66:
7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.

8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

The persons in 1Thessaloians5 saying peace and safety right before the Day of the Lord begins - will be the Jews, who will think they have entered the messianic age and the unsaved world as well.

Peace and safety is not a phrase Christians use. We say peace of the Lord. We say salvation in Christ. But we don't say peace and safety.

 

[TribulationSigns]

You are not understanding what Paul is saying to the Thessalonians.

I am pretty positive that you are the ONE who is confused on Thessalonians because you have been indoctrinated with carnal interpretations with national Israel, Gog and Magog, false messianic age, world peace, rapture escapist, etc. And you have no clues on God's definition of "peace and safety" that He said that only children of darkness cried WITHIN His congregation. Worse, people like you don't believe the Scriptures I quote to you proving what I am saying is true. You are holding the traditions up over the Word of God as their truth, and biblical truth is subject to what you have learned from your favorite teachers, TV Evangelists and authors about everything from National Israel to a physical battle of Armageddon.

Well, the Lord Judge. I am comfortable with that.

 

[parousia70]

As the days of Noah.

Matthew 24:37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.
Matthew 24:38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark;
Matthew 24:39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.

They were living their everyday life as it were and the flood came suddenly and destroyed them.

Interesting... especially if we read further:

Matthew 24:39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left.

Interesting how in both the flood and the coming of the son of man, those "taken" are taken away to destruction & judgment, while those "left behind" are the righteous ones, isn't it?

 

[Douggg]

I am pretty positive that you are the ONE who is confused on Thessalonians because you have been indoctrinated with carnal interpretations with national Israel, Gog and Magog, false messianic age, world peace, rapture escapist, etc. And you have no clues on God's definition of "peace and safety" that He said that only children of darkness cried WITHIN His congregation. Worse, people like you don't believe the Scriptures I quote to you proving what I am saying is true. You are holding the traditions up over the Word of God as their truth, and biblical truth is subject to what you have learned from your favorite teachers, TV Evangelists and authors about everything from National Israel to a physical battle of Armageddon.

Well, the Lord Judge. I am comfortable with that.

"Peace and safety" is not a catch phrase used by Christians.

 

[TribulationSigns]

"Peace and safety" is not a catch phrase used by Christians.

Again...

Peace and safety are about being secure in Christ. That's the job of the Spirit and the Word. But after Christ has finished sealing all of His people and Two Witnesses' testimony for salvation is finished, there are many professed Christians in the church who have NOT YET SEALED BY GOD, will believe that salvation is still ongoing in their church where false prophets and christs rule. They are the ones who seek to be secured in Christ, or have despired to be secured (saved), but they will not find it.

Revelation 9:3-6
[3] And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
[4] And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
[5] And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
[6] And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

God defined His people of His Congregation as grass, green thing and trees, but God has specific instruction for the locusts to only hurt those who have NOT sealed or saved by God. They are professed Christians of His Congregation and they are the one who says "peace and safety" but God uses the false prophets and christs (as locusts) as a sudden destruction (judgment) upon them! And they knew it not!

You are looking at a wrong place and wrong peace. You thought God was talking about people in the world seeking world peace before massive physical war when God was actually talking about HIS CONGREGATION. This is where the judgment must first take place!

1 Peter 4:17
[17] For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

 

[Douggg]

Peace and safety are about being secure in Christ.

If that is what Paul was preaching in 1Thessalonians5, then how come Christians don't say peace and safety in Christ?

Christians say a new creation in Christ.

Christians say joy in Christ.

Christians say forgiven in Christ.

Christians say eternal life in Christ.

Christians say saved in Christ.

Christians say eternally secure in Christ.

But Christians don't say peace and safety in Christ.