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Stupid Blasphemy, Stupid

Discussion in 'Obsessive Compulsive Disorder' started by NoahSK, Jul 22, 2019.

  1. NoahSK

    NoahSK Member

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    These unforgivable sin thoughts are getting out of hand. It's becoming more than just a doubt. Whenever I try to convince myself that Jesus is God and not the devil, my mind will twist it and turn it into a reason why the opposite is true. I'm honestly worried this is what I actually believe now. I don't know how to get out of this. Honestly, I feel nothing can change this. Nothing can convince me. Even if God/Jesus Himself came down and told me, I would probably still doubt and think it was some illusion or deception from the devil. Even if I was standing before God in heaven, standing in all of His glory, and He told me Jesus is His son, I would probably still doubt it. This isn't like OCD at all. The questions I have and all the "proofs" my mind has come up with to convince me that Jesus is the devil all seem logical. I don't know what to do. If it was OCD, I'm pretty sure the doubts and arguments and stuff would be irrational and wouldn't make any logical sense. However, in this case the arguments and stuff seem pretty rational. I'm honestly convinced that even if I didn't have OCD, I would still have these doubts. If they even are doubts. I'm pretty sure they're more than doubts now. People have said that the unforgivable sin was unique, in that only people who saw Jesus perform miracles and then concluded that He was satan or whatever were unforgivable. To be honest, I'm pretty sure that if I were in the Pharisees' place, and I saw Jesus perform His miracles, I would probably conclude the same thing, which would make me unforgivable. This is so stupid. Why did Jesus and the apostles do miracles and stuff to validate their message if satan could just as easily do the same? If there is practically no difference between miracles from God and miracles from satan, then how do we know where the miracle performer is getting there power from? This is where my mind goes every time this happens. I can do this anymore. If this isn't the unforgivable sin, then I don't know what is. This is exactly what the Bible says is unforgivable.
     
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  2. eleos1954

    eleos1954 God is Love Supporter

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    James 1:13-15

    Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God,” for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one. But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire.

    Study and meditate on the Lords word, pray to Him and ask Him to remove these thoughts from you and help you understand His Word.

    If, you do not do this .... nothing will change.
     
  3. Blade

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    I speak words of life "And the peace of God, which passes all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus." to you in JESUS name. I take authority over the spirit of confusion. For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.”

    And He has not given you the spirit of fear but of power and love and a sound mind! Praying for you.
     
  4. MasterYourLife

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    "Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, “This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons.” 25 But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. 26 If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? 27 And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges. 28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you."
     
  5. SkyWriting

    SkyWriting The Librarian Supporter

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    The only unforgivable sin is rejecting the Holy Spirit.
    Because this issue concerns you, then you still honor
    the Holy Spirit in fear. Fear is fine.

    Proverbs 10:27
    The fear of the Lord prolongs life, but the years of the wicked will be short.
     
  6. Gracia Singh

    Gracia Singh Newbie Supporter

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    When these thoughts circle, talk *to* Jesus in your heart, instead of thinking about Him.
     
  7. Mari17

    Mari17 Well-Known Member

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    Treat the OCD! Get your therapist to help you, or if that isn't possible (and even if it is), learn to do it on your own. Are you confused about how to do that? Or are you just afraid to try? I can break down the steps for you if needed.
     
  8. stuart allen

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    dearest NoahSK

    you must seek professional help

    what you are suffering is mental illness

    it sounds like OCD/blasphemous intrusive thoughts

    that is actually a more common condition/combination than people care to admit

    please read 'Imp of the Mind' (can't remember author offhand but i'll get back to you)

    it's a short, easy, informative book

    the thoughts you are having are NOT yours and you do NOT believe them

    your subconscious mind is specifically 'throwing up' all the thoughts you would NOT want to have

    the type of thoughts varies from person to person

    it often focuses on what they dread most

    for a follower of Jesus, loss of salvation and the notion of unforgiveable sin often figure prominently

    for another example...a new mom with a newborn baby may be stricken with thoughts of harming her child, even though she would never, ever do so

    eventually she may even believe SHE is willingly having such thoughts and begin to fear she will act upon them

    but the thoughts are INTRUSIVE...they are NOT hers and she would NEVER act upon them

    you are suffering in exactly the same way

    amid such mental illness the devil will come along and pour more of the same into your head...and then accuse YOU of having them/wanting them/believing them

    it's a classic enemy attack

    KNOW THIS MY FRIEND...you are simply suffering a widely recognized mental illness and then being attacked by the foe

    YOU ARE INNOCENT

    JESUS CHRIST, THE BEAUTIFUL SON OF THE LIVING GOD IS YOUR FRIEND AND SAVIOR

    HE UNDERSTANDS WHAT IS HAPPENING TO YOU

    HE KNOWS YOU ARE NOT WELL

    rest now my friend...sit peacefully with Christ

    breathe Him in...moment by moment

    quietly know He loves you dearly

    recognize that ALL those horrible thoughts are unbidden, unwanted, unwelcome...un-YOU (even when they 'pop up' in your memory)

    let them 'float off' into nothingness

    they are nothing, and nothing to do with you

    peace be with you

    lots of love to you NoahSK...you will get better
     
  9. bornagain98

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    I don't know who you are, but I honestly believe God lead me here to show me that I am not alone with this fear. I can feel this pain on another level. I actually just signed up to this forum for the exact reason of having others who understand OCD discuss these horrible thoughts. This was the first post I stumbled on.

    For the past week, I have gone through a very similiar situation that you are, it is so hard to find hope and peace, it's like you wish you could go back to the days when these thoughts did not exist in your head.

    Are you getting any treatment for your OCD? I have had it for years and have never been treated for it. I was sure I had OCD after googling the symptoms, I told my family doctor about them and he said I had OCD (although he isnt a professional psychiatrist so i wasn't officially diagnosed), he referred me to a therapist but I never ended up going. OCD is UNWANTED thoughts, you get me? Unwanted. You do not want this thought, you don't want it at all, neither do I. If you hate these thoughts, if they are not pleasing unto you, if they break your heart like they do mine, then it just shows that you still honor and love God. Please get help, the devil knows you have OCD and he can use that against you. OCD can be tricky and make you feel like this is really you.

    I wish I had more advice to give you, but I am still struggling myself. I find that talking about this issue takes away it's power over me. I feel like when you are alone in your head, the devil can get in your ear and convince you that this is you.

    Do you have good Christian guidance in your life? For me, that is my mother. When I tell my mother these thoughts and how much they bother me, it helps so much. She gives me good godly advice and it really helps ease my anxiety.

    I suggest you talk to whoever in your life you have found gives you good Christian advice, if you don't feel comfortable talking with others in person, find someone on the internet (Christian) to open up to (like on this forum, etc.)

    I am so sorry that you are suffering, but just know that being open about your suffering can really help others, like myself, know they are not alone. Jesus loves you and He knows you hate this struggle and this battle.

    If it is a comfort to you, just know I am praying for you, praying hard
     
    Last edited: Jul 27, 2019
  10. stuart allen

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    for NoahSK and bornagain98

    bornagain98 you're absolutely correct in your understanding...and that's half the battle won right there

    PLEASE, both of you...read 'Imp of the Mind: Exploring the silent epidemic of obsessive bad thoughts.' Lee Baer PhD

    short, easy, informative

    you will understand the illness better...OCD/intrusive thoughts...includes a chapter on blasphemous intrusive thoughts specifically

    you are far from alone...it's widespread

    be aware that non-Christian therapists can offer treatment...eg 'talking therapies'...not acceptable to Christians

    (eg 'exposure' therapy...the patient is encouraged to repeat the intrusive thoughts out loud on a 'look...no lightning bolt/no worries' basis. Clearly, due to the content of some of these thoughts we can't do that.
    It's sufficient to say "they are blasphemous" and leave it at that. bornagain98...don't worry, in total innocence you only told your Mom what they are so she could understand/help, but best not to repeat them)

    read how St. Paul describes the 'thorn in his side'

    only my opinion but i think he was referring to blasphemous intrusive thoughts

    so you're in great company!

    clearly The Lord only allows His strongest/most loyal to suffer so

    Peace and love to you both
     
  11. stuart allen

    stuart allen New Member

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    ps i don't mean to suggest ALL 'talking therapies' are inadvisable...only some...you'll recognize any that are unacceptable

    God bless
     
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