Study: Americans with Christian nationalist views more likely to flout COVID-19 precautions:

[Caliban]

The study shows it's bias by targeting only Christians and Trump supporters!

Serious!!! How else would they study the thoughts of that group? Ha--what are you thinking???

 

[grasping the after wind]

I am not a science denier at all. My contention is not scientific, but related to your comment that emotions are "irrational" and that people hate "for no reason." The fact that humans have emotions serve very important purposes. Yes, it is chemistry--what isn't in our bodies? The emotional and rational centers in our brains have different functions, but to call the emotional center irrational is fine if you mean that emotions are not based on well reasoned syllogisms--I agree with that. But, you claimed more than that--that those emotions occur for no reason. Thats simply not true. There are good reasons to love and hate other things and people. Even your Bible discusses hate in a positive and rational light. Does it not say that God hates? Of course it does.

I did not say emotions were not trigged by stimuli. I said they were irrational. They can be triggered by things that are totally devoid of reasonable thought. Additionally those that use emotion to decide what to do, or what to think , are usually making a very bad mistake.

 

[Caliban]

I did not say emotions were not trigged by stimuli. I said they were irrational. They can be triggered by things that are totally devoid of reasonable thought. Additionally those that use emotion to decide what to do, or what to think , are usually making a very bad mistake.

No, you said hate is irrational. It is not.

 

[Speedwell]

Still waiting for some kind of number of how many of those Christian Nationalists there are.

In order of magnitude roughly the same number as the number of fervent Trump supporters and largely coterminous with that group.

 

[Lord Vega]

This article is from The Christian Post cites this study. It claims that “Christian nationalist ideology tends to make people really distrustful of scientists and science generally...” and that such people are much more likely than other demographics to ignore the scientific recommendations surrounding COVID-19 precautions.

Why do you think this is?

Are there any self identified Christian Nationalists on this forum who would like to explain or refute this claim?

Christianity is a religion, not a nation. Thus, the idea of "Christian nationalism" doesn't make sense. Christ transcends all races, nationalities, and indeed all times.

 

[Pommer]

Christianity is a religion, not a nation. Thus, the idea of "Christian nationalism" doesn't make sense. Christ transcends all races, nationalities, and indeed all times.

I believe this is called “preaching to the choir”.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Christianity is a religion, not a nation. Thus, the idea of "Christian nationalism" doesn't make sense. Christ transcends all races, nationalities, and indeed all times.

Something not making sense doesn't stop people from believing in it.

 

[grasping the after wind]

No, you said hate is irrational. It is not.

It most certainly is. One does not use reason to decide by weighing the factual information whether to hate someone. One simply hates them because they are emotionally triggered by a person or group.

 

[grasping the after wind]

In order of magnitude roughly the same number as the number of fervent Trump supporters and largely coterminous with that group.

I suspected that would be something like your criterion. How many of those people actually identify as Christian Nationalists?

 

[grasping the after wind]

Something not making sense doesn't stop people from believing in it.

That is so true. Look at the people that believe that rioters are peaceful

 

[Speedwell]

I suspected that would be something like your criterion. How many of those people actually identify as Christian Nationalists?

Probably very few actually want an officially established church. But most of them are at least "Christian culturalists" in the sense that I mentioned earlier--that somehow and in some fashion (even if not de jure) the US is, or should be a Christian nation. The evidence is clear: For example, the striving to make Christian sins (such as abortion and gay marriage) illegal for all citizens whether they are Christians or not.

 

[TLK Valentine]

That is so true. Look at the people that believe that rioters are peaceful

And the people who think that all protesters are rioters.

 

[Albion]

The evidence is clear: For example, the striving to make Christian sins (such as abortion and gay marriage) illegal for all citizens whether they are Christians or not.

Not only is this not "evidence," but seeing anyone resort to using it is offensive.

To the extent that abortion is a sin, it's because murder is a sin!

You're not talking about something like missing Mass on Sunday or drinking whiskey when you refer to taking a human life.

 

[Speedwell]

Not only is this not "evidence," but seeing anyone resort to using it is offensive.

To the extent that abortion is a sin, it's because murder is a sin!

You're not talking about something like missing Mass on Sunday or drinking whiskey when you refer to taking a human life.

But that abortion is always murder is a religious position. What about gay marriage?

 

[Albion]

But that abortion is always murder is a religious position.

And that makes murder an acceptable practice? I'm not getting the logic in that approach.

What about gay marriage?

Rather more complicated.

 

[grasping the after wind]

Probably very few actually want an officially established church. But most of them are at least "Christian culturalists" in the sense that I mentioned earlier--that somehow and in some fashion (even if not de jure) the US is, or should be a Christian nation. The evidence is clear: For example, the striving to make Christian sins (such as abortion and gay marriage) illegal for all citizens whether they are Christians or not.

They seem to also want murder and theft to be illegal. Amazing how they could feel so entitled.

 

[grasping the after wind]

What about gay marriage?

Over the course of human existence How many cultures have there been that did not support gay marriage for reasons having nothing to do with Christianity?

 

[Speedwell]

They seem to also want murder and theft to be illegal. Amazing how they could feel so entitled.

But murder and theft are not just Christians sins; they are acknowledged as wrong by people of all religions and none. On the other hand, that causing a zygote to fail to implant is capital murder meriting life imprisonment or death is not something widely acknowledged outside of Christianity.

 

[Lord Vega]

I believe this is called “preaching to the choir”.

I believe my post is called pointing out an obnoxious error that doesn't make sense. I could care less if atheists or non-Christians choose not to recognize the correctness of my point.

 

[Speedwell]

Over the course of human existence How many cultures have there been that did not support gay marriage for reasons having nothing to do with Christianity?

Who knows? But we're talking about here and now.