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Struggle with Marian Apparitions

Discussion in 'One Bread, One Body - Catholic' started by Markie Boy, Jun 27, 2019.

  1. Markie Boy

    Markie Boy Looking East, Moving Slow Supporter

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    So I struggle with some of the Marian apparitions. I find some really knowledgeable people that do so as well. Some of the messages seem OK, some a little unlike the Mary we know from Scripture.

    I am at this point where I have seen enough Catholics that have all kinds of Marian devotions, but don't know Scripture or early Christian history from the first 150-200 years, that's it is sort of a turn off for me.

    I see these later developed devotions as something to not dwell on much if you haven't really spent most of your time on the original deposit of faith.

    Anyone else feel like this?

    The other thing is some of the apparitions only need be approved by a single local bishop. I find that troubling, as I don't currently trust my bishop. It just doesn't seem like enough.
     
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  2. Davidnic

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    There are levels of approval. I am fine with apparitions and I am devoted to a few. But they are private revelation, you do not need to accept them. Some like Lourdes have fruit that is undeniable.
     
  3. Markie Boy

    Markie Boy Looking East, Moving Slow Supporter

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    I guess when the message is call to conversion, prayer, and stopping sin, which most of them are, I can't see Satan working an angle of deception into that.

    But, I'm sort of in a "don't trust the Church much" state, so I don't know.
     
  4. chevyontheriver

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    Your state of mind, and my state of mind somewhat similar, should be approached with caution. My state of mind, I have learned, is fickle. It goes from depressed to confused to mildly optimistic and back almost randomly. I'm sometimes stuck in a downward spiral until I hit bottom. If I decided things based on my state of mind I would have long ago done some terrible things, some very destabilizing things.
     
  5. Markie Boy

    Markie Boy Looking East, Moving Slow Supporter

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    Yes - sounds pretty similar Chevy - really similar. I go from frustrated, to unsure, to optimistic as well.

    My real quest has been "What is the Church?". It's not simply the Roman Catholic institution - as we see so many in charge that don't seem to actually believe Jesus.

    But can you find the true Church within the RCC - I believe so.
     
  6. chevyontheriver

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    Was it the original twelve apostles? Considering Judas? Of course we could say that it wasn't really the Church until after Pentecost. But my point is that scoundrels and unbelievers have always been around. How can the Church be the Church with bad members, with bad leaders even? And yet somehow it is. There are nasty bad Orthodox, nasty bad Catholics, and neither Orthodoxy nor Catholicism is invalidated by them. Damaged by them but not invalidated
    The doctrinal statement is that the whole Church subsists in the Catholic Church, although many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside of its visible structure. For example, there is valid baptism among the Orthodox and even most Protestants.

    So not everything or everyone within the Catholic Church is part of the Church. And the Church is not just Catholics. There is overlap. The overlap is what allows us to call Protestants brothers and sisters in Christ and allows us to defrock and even excommunicate the defilers of innocent young people.

    I have found the true Church within the Catholic Church. Which is why I do not want to and will not surrender it to the wreckers of the faith. The pearl of great price has been found.
     
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  7. Markie Boy

    Markie Boy Looking East, Moving Slow Supporter

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    Chevy - you'll get no argument from me on anything you said. All well put.

    I wish I had someone like you to fellowship with locally!
     
  8. chevyontheriver

    chevyontheriver Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Since we don't know how far apart we actually are, it's possible we live across the street and down the block from each other. Who knows. Anonymity is important on-line but it has it's downsides.

    On a tangential note I just finished watching Damian Thompson being interviewed by Raymond Arroyo on EWTN's 'World Over'. WOW. I will have to watch it again.
     
  9. Markie Boy

    Markie Boy Looking East, Moving Slow Supporter

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    What's it on? I may need to check it out.
     
  10. chevyontheriver

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    About the almost successful forced abortion of that woman in England and the milkquetoast reply from the bishops there, about the Amazon Synod working document and what cardinal Brandmuller said about it. Amazingly dry incredibly sage comments.
     
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