Strategy for Republican

[Albion]

Well, if FoxNews is "fair and balanced"... then reality is hostile to Donald.

Oh, Fox probably does have a plausible claim to being fair and balanced, but being "balanced" doesn't mean a strict neutrality. In fact, it suggests just the opposite. This network does present representatives and spokesmen for opposing viewpoints, unlike many of Fox News' competitors. But when it comes to Trump individually, overall he's ''on the outs'' at Fox.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Oh, Fox probably does have a plausible claim to being fair and balanced--overall.

But being "balanced" doesn't mean taking no positions at all on controversial matters. In fact, it suggests just the opposite. This network does present representatives and spokesmen for opposing viewpoints, and that's unlike many of Fox News' competitors.

Right -- so did they stop being "fair and balanced" in regards to Donald, or is it simply that being "fair and balanced" is hostile to Donald?

 

[Tiberius Lee]

Oh, Fox probably does have a plausible claim to being fair and balanced, but being "balanced" doesn't mean a strict neutrality. In fact, it suggests just the opposite. This network does present representatives and spokesmen for opposing viewpoints, unlike many of Fox News' competitors. But when it comes to Trump individually, overall he's ''on the outs'' at Fox.

I am not advocating that MSNBC is balanced media. But in 2010 Keith Olbermann donated $2,400 each to three Democratic candidates for Congress, as a result he was suspended from MSNBC and then his contract were never renewed. On the other hand Laura Ingraham regularly stay at Mara Lago and closely work with Trump. Sean Hannity show up on stage with Trump. His nick name during Trump administration was “ the real Chief of Staff of WH” . So lets stop calling Fox news a fair and balanced media.

 

[Albion]

I am not advocating that MSNBC is balanced media. But in 2010 Keith Olbermann donated $2,400 each to three Democratic candidates for Congress, as a result he was suspended from MSNBC and then his contract were never renewed. On the other hand Laura Ingraham regularly stay at Mara Lago and closely work with Trump. Sean Hannity show up on stage with Trump. His nick name during Trump administration was “ the real Chief of Staff of WH” . So lets stop calling Fox news a fair and balanced media.

I'm sorry, but the issue was whether Fox was automatically unreliable because of being (allegedly) in Trump's corner.

While some of what you wrote here is true, and I never denied it, Fox is not the Trump network although that seems to be the automatic go-to claim from some people whenever anyone who isn't on the political left cites something that was reported on the Fox News Network.

There's really nothing here to argue about; I was simply bringing you and anyone else in the same outmoded frame of mind up to date with this question of the orientation of Fox. Whatever it used to be, it's not that anymore, particularly when it comes to Trump.

 

[Whyayeman]

I'm sorry, but the issue was whether Fox was automatically unreliable because of being (allegedly) in Trump's corner.

That was never the issue, though, was it?

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Speaking of Strategy for Republicans, another thread brought this up
Southern strategy - Wikipedia

To put things in context.

 

[Tiberius Lee]

I'm sorry, but the issue was whether Fox was automatically unreliable because of being (allegedly) in Trump's corner.

While some of what you wrote here is true, and I never denied it, Fox is not the Trump network although that seems to be the automatic go-to claim from some people whenever anyone who isn't on the political left cites something that was reported on the Fox News Network.

There's really nothing here to argue about; I was simply bringing you and anyone else in the same outmoded frame of mind up to date with this question of the orientation of Fox. Whatever it used to be, it's not that anymore, particularly when it comes to Trump.

You know what, fox news can solve this branding issue very easily by forbidding their highest paid , highest ranking host to act lily they are working for Trump.

But they wouldn’t do that. They would let their prime time , highest paid Host to work with Trump, stay at Trump hotel, even discuss / shape GOP policy with Trump and then complain “ why are you automatically calling us Trump Network” .

 

[Albion]

You know what, fox news can solve this branding issue very easily by forbidding their highest paid , highest ranking host to act lily they are working for Trump.

That's not very reasonable IMO. The highest paid several, each of which has a show in prime time, are the ones who attract, by far, the biggest audiences. That's why they are paid the most. But overall, Fox now has more balance than any other news network that I can think of.

 

[Tiberius Lee]

That's not very reasonable IMO. The highest paid several, each of which has a show in prime time, are the ones who attract, by far, the biggest audiences. That's why they are paid the most. But overall, Fox now has more balance than any other news network that I can think of.

Why isn’t it reasonable? Can you name a CNN host who stay at Biden’s Delaware home ? Or a MSNBC host who regularly call Biden in WH to have “ privet chat” ? you can’t because those company wouldn’t allow it. So why can’t Fox news do that. Well because these Prim Time host brings lot a money for Fox news.

Fox prim time has the biggest audience and these prim time host are the one who mingle with Trump regularly. Who care’s if Fox 1 pm Host is fair and balanced and hostile to Trump, they have tiny little audience compare to Tucker or Laura. Fox prim time is the bread and butter of Fox news. Fox can't have their cake and eat it.

 

[Albion]

Why isn’t it reasonable? Can you name a CNN host who stay at Biden’s Delaware home ?

You cannot base a claim that some network is biased or slanted or unbalanced, etc. on a single news person. Not when there are dozens of them appearing on various of their news shows every month.

Fox prim time has the biggest audience and these prim time host are the one who mingle with Trump regularly.

Yes, we know that they are supporters--Tucker, Hannity, and Laura. They are three out of dozens and their shows are only some of many that appear regularly. It's the overall profile of the network that matters when we're evaluating the claim of Fox being fair and balanced or, OTOH, partial to Trump.

 

[TLK Valentine]

That's not very reasonable IMO. The highest paid several, each of which has a show in prime time, are the ones who attract, by far, the biggest audiences. That's why they are paid the most. But overall, Fox now has more balance than any other news network that I can think of.

Which means that if they're hostile to Donald, then the news network that has more balance than any other that you can think of must really think he's a loser.

 

[Whyayeman]

Here is an editorial piece from today's Guardian, cutting through the Republican Party's revisionist claims:

The Guardian view on investigating 6 January: the truth about the storming of the Capitol

Senior Republicans initially acknowledged the horror of the events and the culpability of Donald Trump, whose big lie of a stolen election triggered the assault upon the Capitol to stop the peaceful transfer of power. Kevin McCarthy, the House minority leader – who is said to have telephoned the president urging him to call the rioters off as they tried to break through his office window – said that Mr Trump bore responsibility. He and others called for a 9/11-style independent commission.

Yet since then they have sought to rewrite history and diminish the attack. They blocked a bipartisan proposal for the commission and pulled all their picks from the House select committee when Nancy Pelosi vetoed the nomination of Jim Jordan and Jim Banks, who challenged the legitimacy of Joe Biden’s victory. They vilify two Republicans, Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger, who joined nonetheless. And they pretend they did not even listen to the graphic and harrowing testimony of police officers who defended them all against invaders.

 

[Tiberius Lee]

You cannot base a claim that some network is biased or slanted or unbalanced, etc. on a single news person. Not when there are dozens of them appearing on various of their news shows every month.


Yes, we know that they are supporters--Tucker, Hannity, and Laura. They are three out of dozens and their shows are only some of many that appear regularly. It's the overall profile of the network that matters when we're evaluating the claim of Fox being fair and balanced or, OTOH, partial to Trump.

This is just one article and there are more like this by month. Fox news average viewer during day time is 1.3 millions.. and their prime time is 2.5 millions. In another word majority of their Money comes from Trump supporting Host. If fox fire these prime time host like MSNBC did , or CNN would not allow, fox will be out of business.

 

[Albion]

This is just one article and there are more like this by month. Fox news average viewer during day time is 1.3 millions.. and their prime time is 2.5 millions. In another word majority of their Money comes from Trump supporting Host.

Yeah, someone has to be at the top of the viewer list, and of course the network will want to keep that person on the air.

But as for making something like that, which is a matter of good business, into a claim about the political biases of management, it doesn't work.

If there were nothing but conservatives or Trump supporters on staff, or in the newsroom, you could say that fact reflects the intended slant of the network, but that definitely isn't the case with Fox.

 

[Whyayeman]

Nice diversion there. Could we get back on-topic?

 

[variant]

The strategy for Trump and Republicans at large has always been to focus on problems they make up rather than real world problems that require effort, work and actual policies to deal with.

When faced with real world problems with real world consequences Trump and his clones just throw a hissy fit, do nothing constructive (and often non-constructive) and try to change the subject.

How unfair the media is. How illegal immigrants are to blame for everything. ect ect.