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I know it wasn't directed at me specifically. Its just an undercurrent to ANY discussion, from what I've seen.
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I know it wasn't directed at me specifically. Its just an undercurrent to ANY discussion, from what I've seen.Uphill I am sure they were not refering to you, your origenal question was ok, did you ever go to a real Catholic bookstore, one connected to a cathedral or mission or catholic school? I really think you should, the place you described seemed a little odd from your description.
mmmm,k. No, that's not true Howard.There is a catholic poster who has the words (in green) where mine says contributor "Mary sees all and knows all" so some do find her God.
Excuse me, but just where are we told and by whom, to go into a prayer closet?I can inmaginne Paul's reation seeing peter bowing and praying before a statue? I see no need to do that .We're told to go into our prayer closet..I can't imagine statues in there..
denying a image of Jesus is denying the incarnation.I don't know that big cross, with Jesus nailed to at the front of the Church not far from here, and many other strikes me as an Icon.
That's a Graven Image. Jesus is God. You do not make an image of God for that is forbodden.
Much different than decorations in the Temple. Nobody bowed, kissed, or prayed at the decorations feet.
Also, the whole "bowing" thing. It's not bowing it's genuflecting much different than bowing. Genuflecting for those who do not know is bending the knee to the floor or ground in worship.
wow. that is an angry post. How bout when catholics twist scripture. Jesus did say go into the prayer closet and shut the door behind you..in reference to private prayer. SO what if there is a pastor on stage. That isn't private is it?Excuse me, but just where are we told and by whom, to go into a prayer closet?
Are you referring to Jesus saying to shut the door when we pray?
Well, then what are preachers doing on stages praying with and for hundreds of people? Huh???
You know, I'm really over this double standard and this free pass protestants give themselves twist scripture when ever they need to diagree with catholics.
Try playing by your own rules for a change that you try to bind on us and actually support all these crazy claims against the Church using the bible "only."
Ok, come on brethren, let's calm down. All we need are the Atheists to come over and see us argueing like this.wow. that is an angry post. How bout when catholics twist scripture. Jesus did say go into the prayer closet and shut the door behind you..in reference to private prayer. SO what if there is a pastor on stage. That isn't private is it?
Ok, come on brethren, let's calm down. All we need are the Atheists to come over and see us argueing like this.
Btw, on a side note, the Muslims have claimed to have found the preserved body of the Pharaoh who drowned in the Red Sea as told in the Koran.
Don't Care. The Muslims will have difficulty stopping Christ.
That's my point- your going to through a verse us when you do the same thing.wow. that is an angry post. How bout when catholics twist scripture. Jesus did say go into the prayer closet and shut the door behind you..in reference to private prayer. SO what if there is a pastor on stage. That isn't private is it?
Well, we are getting a little help from the Atheists debating them also LOL. They dislike any religion period.Ok, come on brethren, let's calm down. All we need are the Atheists to come over and see us argueing like this.
Btw, on a side note, the Muslims have claimed to have found the preserved body of the Pharaoh who drowned in the Red Sea as told in the Koran.
Don't Care. The Muslims will have difficulty stopping Christ.
http://www.christianforums.com/t4605802-all-about-islam.html
Response from Atheist to Muslim:
As near as I can tell, these are mere semantics. You claimed that Islam includes a belief that there is a "God within us," and I simply chimed in that so does Christianity has a pretty much identical belief. On this issue, the two religions merely differ on the characteristics they attribute to their respective deities. They are far more similar, it seems to me, than adherents of either religion are willing to admit.
A protestant Christian, for example, will tell you that Catholics are worshiping false gods when they pray to Mary or the saints. A Catholic might instead say that there is one true God, and these others, while they can hear and answer prayers, are not gods themselves, but just exceptional people who have been given their own responsibilities by God in heaven. God is still placed above them all, and thus there is no idolatry (none of these saints are placed 'before' God).
Similarly, in the doctrine of the trinity, it seems that while no Christian has a coherent explanation for what the trinity means, they seem to believe that they are describing one single deity that has this (paradoxical) attribute of being a trinity. The fact remains that they still consider themselves to be worshiping one single deity.
In the end, these are mere arguments over the meanings of words. I myself see no purpose to such arguments whatsoever, except to show the meaninglessness of religion: if religions can't even properly define that in which they worship, why do they think it exists at all?
sounds it. I did NOT use a double standard. Just pointed out how angry you sound. If you aren't...well..maybe calm some of the posts down.That's my point- your going to through a verse us when you do the same thing.
And I'm not angry, I'm just over the double standard.
No, it's a double standard.sounds it. I did NOT use a double standard. Just pointed out how angry you sound. If you aren't...well..maybe calm some of the posts down.
Not you personal you, general you.what in heavens name are YOU talking about????? I don't DO ANY OF THAT...so watch what you are accusing ME of. Flowers are different than graven images anyway.
yah, I have been reading through the thread. I can see why people are angry and upset. BUT 1,000's of threads beating the same dead horse. It is getting OLD for everyone. WHY can't we just agree to disagree...and love Jesus the way HE deserves. THIS is doing NO one any good..and NOT pleasing to God.Tyndale I am not faithless,
Judahspraise, this thread has gotten rather heated and that can account for some high tempers over here. Did you see the St.Peter=Jupiter thing yet?
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