State Republicans push new voting restrictions after Trump’s loss

[tulc]

State Republicans push new voting restrictions after Trump’s loss

Republican legislators across the country are preparing a slew of new voting restrictions in the wake of former President Donald Trump’s defeat.

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[Sparagmos]

State Republicans push new voting restrictions after Trump’s loss

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They know they have to suppress the vote to win.

from the article:
Some Republican officials have been blunt about their motivations: They don’t believe they can win unless the rules change. “They don’t have to change all of them, but they’ve got to change the major parts of them so that we at least have a shot at winning,” Alice O’Lenick, a Republican on the Gwinnett County, Ga., board of elections in suburban Atlanta, told the Gwinnett Daily Post last week. She has since resisted calls to resign.

 

[dogs4thewin]

State Republicans push new voting restrictions after Trump’s loss

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I am from GA and have zero problem with requiring photo ID. I know in GA for example the ID does not even have to be good ( if it is not a driver's license.) it can be expired as long as your appearance has not changed to the point that they can not tell it is the same person. I got a GA state ID to go to college a little short of my 19th birthday. I will be 30 in August and still use that same ID to vote ( even though it is at least five years expired by now. As to the no excuse early voting to me that depends. If they are talking about in person voting where I do not need a reason to show up before election day to vote that ( to me) at least is different than not allowing people to vote by mail without reason.

 

[Yoko.52]

State Republicans push new voting restrictions after Trump’s loss

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nope not surprised

 

[Michael]

State Republicans push new voting restrictions after Trump’s loss

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Nothing new about that!

Stacking the deck: How the GOP works to suppress minority voting

 

[disciple Clint]

State Republicans push new voting restrictions after Trump’s loss

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Specifically what in this article would anyone object to and why?

 

[Jamsie]

Specifically what in this article would anyone object to and why?

"But state Republicans in deep-red states and battlegrounds alike are citing Trump’s meritless claims of voter fraud in 2020 — and the declining trust in election integrity Trump helped drive — as an excuse to tighten access to the polls."

As has been noted so many times in threads on voter fraud... it is a non-problem representing a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of the voting totals. We also know that red states across the south thought it "necessary" to eliminate some 1600 polling places and drastically reduce drop boxes... it would appear to any reasoned mind that suppressing the vote is a republican imperative!

So the actual question should be why address a problem that doesn't exist? Is it because we had a president that lied continually about voter fraud without any evidence or simply an excuse to make voting more difficult...

 

[hislegacy]

Specifically what in this article would anyone object to and why?

I believe the issue is having integrity in our elections. Some want it and others do not. The link brings out the old racist line that minorities do not have state ID, or cannot get it. Which is demonstrably false.

To believe such a narrative, we have to believe that a significant number of minorities cannot or do not:

rent cars
Rent apartments
Rent houses
Have utilities
Purchase alcohol
Fly on airplanes
Rent hotel rooms
Apply for welfare
Register for school
Apply for public assistance
Purchase OTC medications
Go to doctors
Apply for loans
Apply for car insurance

 

[Jamsie]

I believe the issue is having integrity in our elections. Some want it and others do not. The link brings out the old racist line that minorities do not have state ID, or cannot get it. Which is demonstrably false.

I believe the issue revolves around the fact that there is no evidence of widespread voter fraud... and there are those who don't want to accept that but prefer to use meritless claims to stifle voting as much as they are legally capable of doing! Trump lied, as he has often done about "rigged" elections... the truth is that he was never able to provide evidence or proof of such, yet we keep hearing the same old debunked song... a song quite out of tune!

 

[disciple Clint]

"But state Republicans in deep-red states and battlegrounds alike are citing Trump’s meritless claims of voter fraud in 2020 — and the declining trust in election integrity Trump helped drive — as an excuse to tighten access to the polls."

As has been noted so many times in threads on voter fraud... it is a non-problem representing a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of the voting totals. We also know that red states across the south thought it "necessary" to eliminate some 1600 polling places and drastically reduce drop boxes... it would appear to any reasoned mind that suppressing the vote is a republican imperative!

So the actual question should be why address a problem that doesn't exist? Is it because we had a president that lied continually about voter fraud without any evidence or simply an excuse to make voting more difficult...

The real question was "Specifically what in this article would anyone object to and why?" The question was about specific proposed changes of the voting laws.

 

[hislegacy]

I believe the issue revolves around the fact that there is no evidence of widespread voter fraud... and there are those who don't want to accept that but prefer to use meritless claims to stifle voting as much as they are legally capable of doing! Trump lied, as he has often done about "rigged" elections... the truth is that he was never able to provide evidence or proof of such, yet we keep hearing the same old debunked song... a song quite out of tune!

it doesn’t matter, why would you not want voting to have integrity? Wouldn’t that bolster the results?

 

[Jamsie]

it doesn’t matter, why would you not want voting to have integrity? Wouldn’t that bolster the results?

What doesn't matter? If there has been no evidence of widespread voter fraud how do you arrive at the voting system lacking integrity? (This assessment relies on federal and state investigations over the past few decades)

 

[hislegacy]

What doesn't matter? If there has been no evidence of widespread voter fraud how do you arrive at the voting system lacking integrity? (This assessment relies on federal and state investigations over the past few decades)

What is wrong with the system having greater integrity?

 

[Jamsie]

The real question was "Specifically what in this article would anyone object to and why?" The question was about specific proposed changes of the voting laws.

The general point is simply this ... if the election officials, trump supporters/republicans, rebuffed and debunked trump's attempt to steal the election with his lies then it would appear to any reasoned person that those officials gave support for the integrity of the election results, true? It is also true that across red states that voter suppression is a republican imperative then any necessity for change comes into question. Further, as voter fraud has been shown to be extremely rare, a myth if you will, why is there a need to change the system? The fact is that trump lied, as he did in 2016, and his sheep simply believe anything and everything he bloviates about... of course we can agree that if there was in fact proof of widespread fraud it would require being addressed.

 

[Jamsie]

What is wrong with the system having greater integrity?

Greater than what? Since it has been shown that no evidence or proof of widespread voter fraud has ever been found (federal investigation under Bush)... what is your point. Do you really believe that under any system there won't be a person here or there that will attempt some type of fraud...we know this because they are caught, just like the republican in PA attempting to submit a ballot for his dead mother!

 

[hislegacy]

Greater than what it currently is.

This is not the first instance questioning its integrity. Let’s be honest.

 

[Hank77]

Greater than what it currently is.

This is not the first instance questioning its integrity. Let’s be honest.

Do you have a solution for the person who lives 70 miles from the closest DVM to get a photo ID and there is no public transportation?

 

[Jamsie]

Greater than what it currently is.

This is not the first instance questioning its integrity. Let’s be honest.

What it currently is has not been shown to be a problem, except for outright lies about the system. Again, and again ...there have been intensive investigations into voter fraud some lasting over a year or more... and they have found NOTHING! No, it isn't the first instance trump did it before 2016, did it when he lost Iowa to cruz, did when he claimed 3 to 5 million illegal votes...but his kobach commission found NOTHING, did it before 2020, did it after 2020... and as always no evidence, no proof ... so who is being honest?

 

[Arcangl86]

Specifically what in this article would anyone object to and why?

Reducing the amount of early voting days and limiting who can submit mail in ballots. Both of those make it harder for people to vote for no real reason.

 

[hislegacy]

Do you have a solution for the person who lives 70 miles from the closest DVM to get a photo ID and there is no public transportation?

Are you saying they have no utilities? No loans, No mortgages, don’t fly, don’t rent cars, don’t go to hotels, don’t use public assistance. Do not have a doctor or have ever been to a clinic. All these things you need photo ID for.

You really believe this?