State of Israel

[shilohsfoal]

The promise was made to Abraham, and Christ as Abraham's seed inherited it.
Galatians 3:16
Galatians 3:28-29

You may be one of two groups.
This group from the tribes of Israel.

Revelation 7:4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred forty-four thousand from all the tribes of Israel:

Or this group from the rest often tribes of the world .

Revelation 7:9 After this I looked and saw a multitude too large to count, from every nation and tribe and people and tongue, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands.

Which one of these two groups would you be in?I would be in the later group of the nations.

 

[Inkfingers]

You may be one of two groups.
This group from the tribes of Israel.

Revelation 7:4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred forty-four thousand from all the tribes of Israel:

They being the ethnic Jews who convert to Christianity (probably the Messianics), rejoin the children of Abraham through Christ, and regain the promise lost by the synagogue of Satan (Revelation 3:9)...

Or this group from the rest often tribes of the world .

Revelation 7:9 After this I looked and saw a multitude too large to count, from every nation and tribe and people and tongue, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands.

Which one of these two groups would you be in?I would be in the later group of the nations.

The latter also.

 

[shilohsfoal]

They being the ethnic Jews who convert to Christianity (probably the Messianics), rejoin the children of Abraham through Christ, and regain the promise lost by the synagogue of Satan (Revelation 3:9)...



The latter also.

They of thetribes of Israel will be persecuted for three and half years prior to Christs return.This is well documented in scripture.

Matthew 10:23 When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next. Truly I tell you, you will not reach all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

Scripture does not say I will be in the cities of the nations outside israel.Do you understand why they are persecuted in Israel?

 

[seventysevens]

The promise was made to Abraham, and Christ as Abraham's seed inherited it.
Galatians 3:16

Christ IS the seed promise that was made , Christ did not inherit it
"16 Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,” who is Christ. "

 

[Inkfingers]

Christ IS the seed promise that was made , Christ did not inherit it
"16 Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,” who is Christ. "

Christ is Abraham's seed - Galatians 3:16

We are Abraham's seed in Christ - Galatians 3:29

The seed inherits the promise.

 

[Douggg]

Christ is the seed of Abraham.
Through Him we inherit Abraham's promise.
That makes us Israel.

It does not make the church - Israel.

Israel is a nation through Sarah's son, Isaac, then Jacob.

Jacob's name was changed to Israel. The church is not a descendant of Isaac.


Differently, the church is heir to the promise made to Abraham in Genesis 22:16-17, which Isaac was about to be offered up.

Which God, because of Abraham's faith in that episode, would multiply Abraham's descendants beyond the mighty nation he was promised years earlier in Genesis 18:18.

We are the multiplied descendants of Abraham - but by faith - into the Kingdom of God by faith.

Israel is descendants of Abraham by the flesh.

Differently, we are descendants of Abraham by faith, into the Kingdom of God - not the Kingdom of Israel.

Kingdom of God - by faith.
Kingdom of Israel - by flesh.

 

[Inkfingers]

No, the land of Israel is not re-deeded to the gentiles. It is theirs, forever.

We are not gentiles.
Galatians 3:28
Galatians 3:16
Galatians 3:29

We ARE Israel. True Israel. Made such in Christ (unlike the synagogue of Satan - Revelation 3:9)

 

[Inkfingers]

The church is not a descendant of Isaac.

Abraham was the father of Isaac,

Isaac the father of Jacob,

Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers,

3 Judah the father of Perez and Zerah, whose mother was Tamar,

Perez the father of Hezron,

Hezron the father of Ram,

4 Ram the father of Amminadab,

Amminadab the father of Nahshon,

Nahshon the father of Salmon,

5 Salmon the father of Boaz, whose mother was Rahab,

Boaz the father of Obed, whose mother was Ruth,

Obed the father of Jesse,

6 and Jesse the father of King David.

David was the father of Solomon, whose mother had been Uriah’s wife,

7 Solomon the father of Rehoboam,

Rehoboam the father of Abijah,

Abijah the father of Asa,

8 Asa the father of Jehoshaphat,

Jehoshaphat the father of Jehoram,

Jehoram the father of Uzziah,

9 Uzziah the father of Jotham,

Jotham the father of Ahaz,

Ahaz the father of Hezekiah,

10 Hezekiah the father of Manasseh,

Manasseh the father of Amon,

Amon the father of Josiah,

11 and Josiah the father of Jeconiahc]">[c] and his brothers at the time of the exile to Babylon.

12 After the exile to Babylon:

Jeconiah was the father of Shealtiel,

Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel,

13 Zerubbabel the father of Abihud,

Abihud the father of Eliakim,

Eliakim the father of Azor,

14 Azor the father of Zadok,

Zadok the father of Akim,

Akim the father of Elihud,

15 Elihud the father of Eleazar,

Eleazar the father of Matthan,

Matthan the father of Jacob,

16 and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, and Mary was the mother of Jesus who is called the Messiah.

 

[Douggg]

We are not gentiles.
Galatians 3:28
Galatians 3:16
Galatians 3:29

By the flesh we are gentiles. But in Christ, born again of the Spirit, we are a new creation, neither Jew nor gentile.

We ARE Israel. True Israel. Made such in Christ (unlike the synagogue of Satan - Revelation 3:9)

Them who say they are Jews but are not.

Of Israel which all Jews are Israel, only those Jews who are of Christ are the Israel of God. Them who work against Christ are of the synagogue of Satan, as Satan is against Christ. Which Paul once was until he became in Christ.

 

[Douggg]

16 and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, and Mary was the mother of Jesus who is called the Messiah.

Joseph was Jesus's step father. Which he is called the husband of Mary, not Jesus's father.

 

[Inkfingers]

Joseph was Jesus's step father. Which he is called the husband of Mary, not Jesus's father.

Then why the genealogy....

 

[Inkfingers]

By the flesh we are gentiles. But in Christ, born again of the Spirit, we are a new creation, neither Jew nor gentile.

We are of the seed of Abraham, through Christ.

Have you actually read those Bible quotes I linked to? They set this out explicitly.

Them who say they are Jews but are not.

Of Israel which all Jews are Israel, only those Jews who are of Christ are the Israel of God. Them who work against Christ are of the synagogue of Satan, as Satan is against Christ. Which Paul once was until he became in Christ.

The synagogue of Satan are those who claim to be Jews but are not Jews. They are of their father, the Devil.

 

[Inkfingers]

"And if ye are Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, heirs according to promise." (Galatians 3:29)

Which part of this is obscure?

 

[Douggg]

Then why the genealogy....

To show Jesus descended from King David. That he was the promised messiah.

"The" messiah actually means the special promised anointed King of Israel, descended from King David. It does not mean Savior, in it's original context, although it is certainly that Jesus is the Savior to mankind to deliver mankind from the penalty of sin.

The messiah, promised great King of Israel, Son of David, is supposed to lead Israel and the world into the messianic age of peace and safety. Son of David is like saying a son of David, a descendant of David - so the genealogy shows that.

 

[Douggg]

We are of the seed of Abraham, through Christ.

Have you actually read those Bible quotes I linked to? They set this out explicitly.

Yes and you are misunderstanding those bible quotes - because you are not understanding that Israel is the promise made through Abraham's flesh. And differently, them in Christ are descendants of Abraham by Abraham's faith, in Genesis 22:16-17.

 

[Inkfingers]

To show Jesus descended from King David. That he was the promised messiah.

"The" messiah actually means the special promised anointed King of Israel, descended from King David. It does not mean Savior, in it original context, although it is certainly that Jesus is the Savior to mankind to deliver mankind from the penalty of sin.

The messiah, promised great King of Israel, Son of David, is supposed to lead Israel and the world into the messianic age of peace and safety. Son of David is like saying a son of David, a descendant of David - so the genealogy shows that.

Hold, a moment ago you were doubting the Joseph connection. Now you accept it?

 

[Inkfingers]

Yes and you are misunderstanding those bible quotes - because you are not understanding that Israel is the promise made through Abraham's flesh. And differently, them in Christ are descendants of Abraham by Abraham's faith, in Genesis 22:16-17.

The Bible makes no such distinction.

It says SEED.

It says HEIRS.

This is pointless. I'm quoting scripture and you are flat out denying it, so I'll quite wasting my time repeating what is being ignored.

 

[seventysevens]

Then why the genealogy....

Did you not know that Joseph was very upset that Mary was pregnant (with baby Jesus) and had planned on leaving Mary forever - until the Angel came and told Joseph not to be concerned that Mary had not been with another man but that Mary would give birth to the son of God ?
That is why Joseph did not leave and chose to marry
Mary and why Mary is called the Virgin Mary

 

[Douggg]

"And if ye are Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, heirs according to promise." (Galatians 3:29)

Which part of this is obscure?

Two different promises are involved. The first promise was in Genesis 18, that Abraham would father a great nation - through Sarah's son.

Years later, after Sarah son had become a young lad - a different promise was made - according to Abraham's faith - to multiply the number of descendants, not to just one nation, but to many nations - which the Kingdom of God is made up of many nations.

 

[Douggg]

The Bible makes no such distinction.

It says SEED.

It says HEIRS.

This is pointless. I'm quoting scripture and you are flat out denying it, so I'll quite wasting my time repeating what is being ignored.

You don't have anything in the bible that says the church has become Israel. The theology you are holding is all rationalizing - misunderstanding what is in the text.

Ezekiel 37, the prophecy of joining of the two kingdoms of Ephraim and Judah into one nation, fulfilled in 1948 - which the two kingdoms were before the church came into existence - shows that your theology of the church become Israel is wrong.

You are not Israel. Israel is over there right now as one nation again, and is in the news everyday, as is Jerusalem, and epicenter of controversy, just like the bible says in the end times

Gog/Magog is not going to invade you. The muslims are going to invade, attack Israel, which God is going to judge Islam for all the wickedness and evil it has done claiming to do so according to God, falsified as Allah.

It is not you who is going to get invaded. You are not Israel.