My inflated estimate was 160,000. Others who have done the math have also concluded that the number is below 200,000.
Even if Muslims were hypothetically behind every single one of the 140,000 terror attacks committed worldwide since 1970, those terrorists would represent barely 0.009 percent (144,000) of global Islam. (Muslims Do NOT Carry Out Most Terrorist Attacks, by Joshua A Krisch, http://goo.gl/KQd6nQ, 18/11/15)
With an estimated 1.5 billion Muslims around the world and less than 150,000 belonging to organizations such as ISIS, (al-Qaeda, al-Shahbab and Boko Haram) terrorists represent less than 0.001 percent of all Muslims. (The Best Instrument for Changing the Muslim World, by Hossein Askari, http://goo.gl/BLPyYc, 11/01/16)
So how many participants in "Foreign Terrorist Organizations" worldwide menace America's "national security?" How many threaten us so badly that our rulers insist on suspending much of the Bill of Rights to counteract the danger? Try 184,000.
Your figure are based on the ignorance of Islam-proper and are very bias.
Note the above got their facts wrong, e.g. this fundamental point;
I have already argued intensively, Christians, Hindus and Buddhists are not inspired by their respective religion which has an overriding pacficist maxim to prohibit them from committing evil and violent acts in non-believers.
There is a large group of cowards [psychological] out there deflecting and defending Islam as the root cause of all Islamic related evil and violent acts. The above article and you are among them.
Note I have an argument [details available] where the ethos of Islam itself [within the Quran] has a strategy of terror to cow the nons with subliminal fears of terror into submission and to be pro-Islam [Stockhome Syndrome].
And if you take this free online course,
Understanding Terrorism and the Terrorist Threat offered by The University of Maryland, you will also find that there are less Islamic terrorists in the world than you believe there are.
Note I am a very vociferous, fervent and aggressive reader and researcher into many fields of knowledge, i.e. philosophy, neurosciences, psychology, religion & spirituality and many others.
What you suggested above is kindergarten stuffs and it anyone is serious on that alone, they are psychological cowards.
To be credible, one to research into many sources with many perspectives to the issue.
Exactly! The 100 accomplices was given to erase any doubt that every single Islamic terrorist in the world would be counted. It just further supports the position that less than 1% of the Muslim population is involved in violent jihad and that your conclusions can't possibly be correct.
The above is dishonest and deceptive rhetorics.
I have already explained the 'pool' effect where only a minority will commit the actual evil and violent acts.
The attacks on 9/11 were carried out and supported by al-Qaeda which had a membership of a couple of thousand at the time. Only a small percentage of those would have had a direct hand in the planning of the attacks that took place on 9/11.
That is exactly my point.
You cannot take the 18++ into account as your statistics of terrorists.
This is why you must take into account the pool of support behind the actual attackers.
Note I don't agree with your attempt to guess the number of Islamist terrorists.
My focus is on;
1. -the pool of 320 million potential evil prone Muslims where any one could be triggered to commit evil and violent acts.
2. It is not only terrorist acts from Islamists but the whole gamut and range of evil and violent acts from the pool of 320 million evil prone Muslims.
The reason I counted all ideologies was to further stress how the number of Islamic terrorists in the world is much lower than what you believe it to be.
This is a very immature deflection from the topic.
All evil and violent acts must be addressed but it is obvious the evil acts attributed to Islam is significant and critical.
What percentage of that 1% are violent?
A small percentage [10% 20%. 30%?] of that have actually committed violence.
What is critical is the pool of the existence of 1% i.e. 70 million psychopaths and we do not know which one will quickly commit evil and violent acts.
It is the uncertainty in determining which of the 70 million psychopath will actually turned evil which is most frightening.
Thus the task for humanity is to ensure there is 0% of psychopaths so there are no evil and violent acts attributed the psychopathy. This is not possible at present.
Similarly I have demonstrated there is a possible pool of
320 million evil prone Muslims where any one of them could be triggered by
the ideology of Islam to commit terrible evil and violent acts, where SOME have already committed evil acts over the 1400 years of the history of Islam and will continue into the future.
Just like the 70 million of psychopaths, what is scary is the uncertainty of who will strike from the pool of 320 million evil prone Muslims, but we are certain there will definitely be evil and violent deeds from these evil prone Muslims.
So the solution is;
1. - make the 320 million evil prone Muslims to be not evil prone. Since it involved the DNA, this is not possible.
2.- eliminate the ideology of Islam because of its inherent evil and violent essence. This task is not impossible given religion can be choice.
So now you are saying that it's mental illness that drives terrorists and not religion?
Where did I say that??
I was giving you an example and analogy.
It is only 1% of 1.5 billion i.e. 15 million who have psychopath tendencies.
The other 19% are driven by other psychological impulses of evil and violent.
Historically, out of your mythical pool of 320 million evil prone Muslims, less than 1/10th of 1% have participated in violent acts against others. Shouldn't that tell you that your fears are unwarranted?
Your ignorance could fuel more evil and violence around the world.
Btw, don't keep referring to violent acts alone!!
I keep stating my concern is the whole gamut and range of evil and violent acts by Muslims against non-Muslims.
Note the false arrogance and supremacy of Muslims promoted by Islam that generate all sorts of negative acts against non-Muslims. Note the infringements of the basic human rights of non-Muslims.
I have stated the pool of 320 million evil prone Muslims posed a potential threat of evil and violence acts that can happen anytime around the world where we do not know who will strike, when and where.
Note the greater state of heightened fear and terror from Islam [than other terror attacks] all over the world by non-Muslims. The next strike could happen anywhere.
Study after study shows otherwise:
Eli Berman, Radical, Religious, and Violent 9-13, 212 (2009) (relying upon Israeli study of Muslim suicide bombers, among other evidence, to demonstrate that “religious terrorists, even suicide bombers [are] not particularly motivated by heavenly rewards”)
Tufyal Choudhury, Dept. for Communities and Local Gov’t, The Role of Muslim Identity Politics in Radicalization (A Study in Progress) 6 (2007) (emphasis added), available at http://www.communities.gov.uk/documents/communities/pdf/452628.pdf. Sageman found that terrorists are not particularly religiously literate and do not come primarily from religious families. Only about one-fourth of his sample was deeply religious when they were young; two-thirds were secular; and the remainder converted to Islam. Nor were his subjects well versed in Islam. Rather, the “majority of terrorists come to their religious beliefs through self-instruction. Their religious understanding is limited; they know about as much as any secular person, which is to say, very little.” Leaderless Jihad, supra note 40, at 51.
With respect to American homegrown terrorists, the Rand Study concludes that, although we have “no metric for measuring faith . . . the attraction of the jihadists’ extremist ideology . . . appears to have had more to do with participating in action than with religious instruction.” Rand Study, supra note 25, at 3.
The data show that there is little connection between suicide terrorism and Islamic fundamentalism, or any one of the world’s religions… Rather, what nearly all suicide terrorist attacks have in common is a specific secular and strategic goal: to compel modern democracies to withdraw military forces from territory that terrorists consider to be their homeland. Religion is rarely the root cause, although it is often used as a tool by terrorist organizations in recruiting and in other efforts in service of the broader strategic objective. (Pape, Robert. Dying to Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism. 2006)
The available research does not support the view that Islam drives terrorism or that observing the Muslim faith—even a particularly stringent or conservative variety of that faith—is a step on the path to violence. In fact, that research suggests the opposite: Instead of promoting radicalization, a strong religious identity could well serve to inoculate people against turning to violence in the name of Islam.
The British MI5 Study explicitly debunked this view. It found that “[f]ar from being religious zealots, a large number of those involved in terrorism do not practise their faith regularly. Many lack religious literacy and could actually be regarded as religious novices.”
Sageman’s review of 500 cases, as well as multiple other empirical studies, have found that “a lack of religious literacy and education appears to be a common feature among those that are drawn to [terrorist] groups.” Indeed, there is evidence that “a well-established religious identity actually protects against violent radicalization.”
The fact is all these are Muslims and their evil and violent acts are ultimately traceable to Islam.
Whilst some may not have a history of being religious, these Muslims are heavily influenced by the Islamic ideology from Islam preachers offline or online. It is obvious these Muslims will often shout Allah-u-Akbar while committing the evil and violent acts in the name of their religion.
The point is any of these Muslims could come from very large pool of
320 million evil prone Muslims.
It is very common for any Muslim [or group ] from the above pool of 320 million to be triggered by an active
existential crisis and got very aware and worried about his mortality and what will happen after death.
Such Muslim will fall back to their religion of Islam where the evil and violent are the most rewarding, and with their zeal and influence from preachers they will strive hard to please Allah in compensating and repenting for past sins, thus ending with committing the worst kind of evil and violent acts on non-Muslims.
This is why it is so common to hear of those who have been known to be criminals, delinquents, not religious Muslims, etc, who turned suicide bombers out of the blue.
Btw, it is not only from the pool of 320 million evil prone Muslims, but even a significant % from the very good goody-two-shoes Muslims could turned to be a suicide-bomber or terrorists and supported of terrorism when triggered by the inherent existential crisis, thus striving to be saved via salvation.
When they strive to please Allah with zealousness, it is inevitable they will be influenced by the evil and violent acts condoned by Allah where no humans can judge they are right or wrong - the STALEMATE.
I showed you verses from the Qur'an and texts from the hadiths that teach the same in Islam.
Where??
I have countered all the verses you have shown are either cherry-picked or abrogated by the later Medinian verses.
3:34 says Offspring one of the other. God is Hearer and Knower.
I think you meant 41:34:
Good and evil are not equal. Repel evil with good, and the person who was your enemy becomes like an intimate friend. (Qur'an 41:34)
Then we agree that Islam teaches that Muslims are to repel evil with good since the above verse applies to Muslims.
Nope, i argued the above applies only if the person is a Muslim or converted to be a Muslim.
Wow, you invested all that time and effort on the Qur'an, yet when I suggest a course that will take just a couple of months to complete you call it stupid and a waste of time.
The course I recommended for you should be a breeze if you are used to putting in that many hours a day into studying. You could probably finish it in a couple of weeks.
I know Bilal Philips [listened to his videos] and is aware of his Salafi stance.
Then who are the Jesus and Mary being referred to in the Qur'an?
Note it is Isa and Mariam in the Quran. These are just names and do not represent the specific Jesus and Mary in the NT.
This is why Islam is a false religion, i.e. a group of people who compiled the Quran for whatever he reason, plagiarized stories from the Bible and NT but they were full of errors in comparison.
Yes, this is Islam 101 and where all new converts to Islam start. It is impossible to be called a Muslim without first applying the six pillars of faith. The five pillars of Islam mean absolutely nothing to a Muslim without first applying the six pillars of faith.
A
Muslim is one who have recited the
shahada as below, implying a covenant with Allah and a recognition of Allah and Muhammad as his/her savior.
There is no god but God. Muhammad is the messenger of God.
لَا إِلٰهَ إِلَّا ٱلله مُحَمَّدٌ رَسُولُ ٱلله
lā ʾilāha ʾillā llāh muḥammadun rasūlu llāh
The declaration of the above is the definitive qualification to be a Muslim.
The five pillars of Islam is the easiest to follow by all Muslim.
The six pillars are more difficult to comply to qualify as a Mushin.
You keep saying this, but so far you have shown no supporting evidence for your claims. Here you say your research is very simple.
Then you say it is too tedious and long to extract.
And earlier you said you would upload it.
It literally takes a matter of minutes to upload a file to the internet or host material on a site like Wordpress.
I stated it is easy to identify and verify it by yourself because the process is not complicated. It is merely picking the verses from the immutable Quran.
It is tedious because it is a long list of 3400++ verses.
I have read his methodology. I even linked to it in my earlier reply to you. Do you even read my posts?
Then why are not complaining some of his verses do not contain the term 'disbelievers'.
Warner stated he used the 'story' approach which comprised of a set of verses where certain verses may not contain the term disbelivers but is essential to the story.
He doesn't even use his real name, and he lost any credibility he had long ago.
I noted Bill Warner is his pen name [this is very common].
Bill Warner (writer) - Wikipedia
However he had presented himself visually in his videos, which is the more critical factor.
I had stated, it not not wise for a critique to be visible, given the presence of the 320 million evil prone Muslim around the world and any one of them could easily to kill critiques of Islam.
What count is the objective arguments from original Islamic sources, other empirical and rational premises in one's critique of Islam.
