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Sprinkler or Dunker?

Discussion in 'Whosoever Will, May Come - Liberal' started by LovebirdsFlying, May 17, 2008.

  1. Immersion

  2. Sprinkling/pouring

  3. Other

  4. Baptism is not a part of my belief system.

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  1. LovebirdsFlying

    LovebirdsFlying My husband drew this cartoon of me. Staff Member Red Team - Moderator Supporter

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    Just a survey, not a debate. I'm curious. Do you who believe in baptism prefer the method of immersion, sprinkling, or something else? And why?

    I should add: Some people enjoy debate. I only meant I didn't start the thread for the *purpose* of debate, but in WWMC it can be done politely, so if ya wanna, go ahead. Just don't be mean. :sorry: I hate to be responsible for starting a fight. :)
     
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  2. Protinus

    Protinus ...once more unto the breach dear friends Supporter

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    I prefer the immersion experience even though I'm Catholic and as it is my own experience. I don't want to diminish spinkling in any way.
     
  3. DeanM

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    I was baptised by sprinkling, and it seemed to have worked, but I think immersion would be just as functional. I'm not sure there's a gray area of "not fully baptised."

    Also, in an odd bit of random doctrine, baptisms do not to be performed by clergy, but can be done so by anyone with faith*

    *certain restrictions apply.
     
  4. LovebirdsFlying

    LovebirdsFlying My husband drew this cartoon of me. Staff Member Red Team - Moderator Supporter

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    To me, immersion is better symbolism. My reasoning: When something is dead, you don't just sprinkle dirt on it, you cover it in dirt. Same with the water, burying the old person that is now dead. The new birth is represented by coming out from under that water as a new person.

    This *represents* the new birth but doesn't *create* it. The difference here is the source of much confusion about baptism. Some (Church of Christ, for one, to which many of my family belong) teach that the act of baptism by immersion is an essential part of the salvation process, and if you leave out a step you are not saved. I say barf. Salvation is through the work of Jesus Christ. Not anything I did. I hold baptism by immersion to be Scriptural, but it wasn't what saved me. It was only a symbol of the fact that I had been saved.
     
  5. LovebirdsFlying

    LovebirdsFlying My husband drew this cartoon of me. Staff Member Red Team - Moderator Supporter

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    You're absolutely right, it doesn't have to be done in a baptismal during a church service by ordained clergy. The way I understand it, any baptized believer can baptize a new one, any time, anywhere. A bathtub, a swimming pool, a natural body of water... whatever.
     
  6. MsScarlett

    MsScarlett Senior Member

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    I'm a Baptist, so I'm a dunker. Mostly for the reasons you stated, Lovebirds.
    I like that symbolism of being born again.
     
  7. Adammi

    Adammi A Nicene Christian not in CF's Xians Only Club

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    I'm a fan of immersion, for the above stated reasons.
     
  8. Mling

    Mling Knight of the Woeful Countenance (in training)

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    I never really got involved in the debate. Sprinkle, dunk, hold by the ankles and dunk only the head...whatever.

    What I do think is cool is that my church always added some water from the River Jordan to the baptismal water. I thought that was the definition of holy water for a long time, before a paster said that that wasn't a standard part of baptism.
     
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  9. LovebirdsFlying

    LovebirdsFlying My husband drew this cartoon of me. Staff Member Red Team - Moderator Supporter

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    I just saw in another CF forum where someone said it's at the point of baptism that the sins are forgiven and the blood of Christ is applied. That is to say, unbaptized = unsaved. This belief can be held by dunkers and sprinklers both, the dunkers because they believe it's part of the salvation process, and the sprinklers as the reason for baptizing infants.

    I soooo disagree! For the infant baptizers, what about a sickly newborn who doesn't live long enough to be baptized? The blood didn't get applied, so the baby is unsaved? Uh-uh, not the God I worship!

    And for those who believe that baptism by immersion is a vital part of salvation (along with the oft-repeated CoC teaching of "hear and believe, confess Christ publicly, repent of sins, and be baptized by immersion to wash them away; ALL of these steps are necessary or you aren't saved") I ask this. Say I have done all of these things, and I die in a car accident on the way to the church to be baptized. Nothing doing; I'm lost because I didn't actually get dunked?

    This doesn't sound like a loving Father to me, but a petty tyrant. That's not the God I know.
     
  10. IndomitableAmy

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    I prefer immersion. I like the symbolism of it and I like the bit about being old enough to understand at least some of the symbolism. At the same time, I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with sprinkling (though I did at one point.) That tradition isn't mine, though.. and I like the symbolism of immersion better. *shrug*

    Um.. and yeah, LBF, some would say you'd go to hell if you hadn't completed all the steps regardless of intention.
     
  11. Izdaari

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    Immersion, though I consider both valid. Sprinkling isn't my tradition :p, and I do think immersion is better symbolism.
     
  12. Sitswithamouse

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    I've been sprinkled at birth (RC) then I was dunked when baptised a LDS.
    I don't remember being sprinkled so I would have to go with immersion.

    I was just spoilt for choice, really.
    :)
     
  13. Speculative

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    As sprinkling/pouring is better supported by both scripture and tradition, I prefer this method. However, I have nothing against immersion. I see no prohibition against it and I see that it would be supported by the experience leg of the quadrilateral.
     
  14. DailyBlessings

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    If it helps: In my tradition (Lutheran) there's a distinction drawn between Holy Baptism, a sacrament of grace, and the Rite of Baptism, a human activity that symbolizes it. The rite is a powerful and important event in the life of a Christian, the beginning of their walk with the church. But, the reason it is powerful is not because it can save of its own power, but because it proclaims a promise already given by a loving creator, the gospel promise that destroys the old sinful self and clothes us in the new. So, it doesn't really matter when the rite is performed, and your infants are safe in the loving arms of God, who is the source of the power of the sacrament. True baptism is the one that comes from above.

    To the OP, I really don't have an opinion. I was sprinkled, would probably choose immersion if I did it now. As long as water and the Word are present, we're good.
     
  15. Molal

    Molal Nemo Me Impune Lacessit Supporter

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    I voted immersion - this is the method used in the bible.
     
  16. Protinus

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    Immersion does not undermine the symbolism and sacrament of baptism by sprinkling. I will tell you that after years of study to understand the Word as youngster and then to fully understand the acceptance of Christ in one's life, to be confirmed AND baptized by immersion, at the same time, in front of the congregation (as in the Disciples of Christ), it is and exceedingly joyous and powerful moment in one's life.

    As a Catholic now, I try to explain the experience to my sons and I don't think they get it. It's dad going "off again". I just wish they would have experienced it the way I did but it is not fair to impose that experience on them.
     
  17. Kaonashi

    Kaonashi If God is thy father, man is thy brother.

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    I was just baptised this past week in the Atlantic Ocean and it was a powerful experience for me so my preferred method would have to be immesion
     
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  18. Molal

    Molal Nemo Me Impune Lacessit Supporter

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    Congratulations
     
  19. Protinus

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    That is so great Kaonashi!! That was some experience! Welcome!
     
  20. Maynard Keenan

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    Should have had a poll option for "no preference/either." There is no spiritual difference between sprinkling and immersion.
     
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