speaking the word over inanimate objects

[bloodbought09]

" Speaking and performing things a certain way is what witches do."
God was the originator of "speaking." He spoke things into existence (Gen). Even if it's only allegorical, that is the way He chose to express His way of doing things. Further, Is 55: - So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. I could go on. There is a lot mentioned in the Bible about faith and what is spoken. Prov 18: 21 Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.

Mark 11:23- For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.

I could spend all day on this topic. No need. I would guess you aren't interested, and just really want to criticize. Where I don't agree (she was just asking) with speaking money into a wallet as a specific ritual, God can do whatever He wants, and has. Moreover, He has taken great pains to pen countless various ways that He does do things so that people can't say that God doesn't do this or that. He has done His best to keep man from "putting Him in a box" and deciding how and what He will do. Alas, it stop people: wall coming down after walking around it 7x, dipping in a muddy sea, donkey talking, men being taken up to heaven in a chariot, mud being rubbed in eyes, money from a fish's mouth, raising a hammer head, etc,. He does try, but it doesn't always work.

I understand and am aware of the word. I am not interested in the love of money and the prosperity gospel.

 

[bloodbought09]

" I been baptized in the Holy Ghost but I do not subscribe to pretenders, false prophets and false teachers."

"If I speak with the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging symbol."

If you think your fellow brother is in error, why don't you lovingingly, rather than critically, try to reveal truth through Scripture? Rather than come in with a Holier than though attitude?

I have been on here for about a week again. I regret stepping foot in this part of the forum. You want to message me one on one and we can talk. I am not going back and forth with you in this op I care nothing about. What I mean to say is that, I am born-again and know the power of God but it is very important to be in the word and not be watching a bunch of charlatans and fakes.

 

[Kathryn Jensen]

I understand and am aware of the word. I am not interested in the love of money and the prosperity gospel.

I assume when you say "prosperity gospel" you are referring to those who have gotten out of balance and don't just use money as tool or to whom God is speaking to when He says, "I wish above all things that you would prosper and be in health, even as your soul prospers." Money is a tool that was by God's design. He has reasons why He makes people rich. He has reasons why He puts wealth into people's hands. There is a God-given need for money. God obviously wants to bless, look at the Garden of Eden, look at what God promised Israel if they walked upright before Him (Deut 28, etc), and look at the description of the New Jerusalem in Rev. All of what we call wealth is create by God FOR man. Not for Himself.

Are there reasons why not everyone has money? Of course. Does God want people to be satisfied with where they are regardless of their financial state? Sure. Does God want people who He's blessed financially to love the money more than Him or love Him merely for what He can give them? Nope. But money is a tool that can be used for God-given good. It can feed the poor; it can further the spread of the gospel, etc. There is nothing biblical about it being holy to be poor. If anything, it is not a blessing to be poor and those who are lazy are poor.

"Yet a little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to sleep: So shall thy poverty come as one that travelleth, and thy want as an armed man." Prov 6:10

The rich man's wealth is his fortress, The ruin of the poor is their poverty." Prov 10:15

Rather than 'loving" money, why don't you use money to bless people, or ministries, or organizations that serve others in some way, etc? What would be wrong with that?

 

[bloodbought09]

I understand and am aware of the word. I am not interested in the love of money and the prosperity gospel.

I assume when you say "prosperity gospel" you are referring to those who have gotten out of balance and don't just use money as tool or to whom God is speaking to when He says, "I wish above all things that you would prosper and be in health, even as your soul prospers." Money is a tool that was by God's design. He has reasons why He makes people rich. He has reasons why He puts wealth into people's hands. There is a God-given need for money. God obviously wants to bless, look at the Garden of Eden, look at what God promised Israel if they walked upright before Him (Deut 28, etc), and look at the description of the New Jerusalem in Rev. All of what we call wealth is create by God FOR man. Not for Himself.

Are there reasons why not everyone has money? Of course. Does God want people to be satisfied with where they are regardless of their financial state? Sure. Does God want people who He's blessed financially to love the money more than Him or love Him merely for what He can give them? Nope. But money is a tool that can be used for God-given good. It can feed the poor; it can further the spread of the gospel, etc. There is nothing biblical about it being holy to be poor. If anything, it is not a blessing to be poor and those who are lazy are poor.

"Yet a little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to sleep: So shall thy poverty come as one that travelleth, and thy want as an armed man." Prov 6:10

The rich man's wealth is his fortress, The ruin of the poor is their poverty." Prov 10:15

Rather than 'loving" money, why don't you use money to bless people, or ministries, or organizations that serve others in some way, etc? What would be wrong with that?

I agree. Nothing is wrong with being prospered to help others. I received help today to get some food in my house and when they gave me extra I gave 4 cantaloupes away to some neighbors to help. The people asked how much I want for them and I said "The best thing about receiving something for free is being a good steward and giving it away for free. God says "Give freely what has been given freely. But when people preach that if you give to God He will give back and all their energy is toward giving to receive riches and supporting a prosperity gospel instead of spreading the word and the gospel of Jesus Christ and Him crucified then there is a problem, greed. I cannot argue with the word rightly divided. Though you do not, others use the word to manipulate.

 

[bloodbought09]

As with the person who started this thread, I have been attending a calvary chapel church. They preach right out of the word of God without manipulation. I have decided to do what is my calling and my gift of evangelism. I have often had a problem because I do not want to bring people into a church where the Spirit is not moving but instead the people are into mysticism. I am happy to bring people to this church where they can hear the word of God. I have dealt with many Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses in the past and still do. It is very hard to deal with people who are so entrenched in lies, another gospel. It is hard to know that their religion is deception and to deal with their misuse of the word of God.

 

[now faith]

It does not matter. I am not staying around talks over heretical preachers like Kenneth Copeland anyhow. I been baptized in the Holy Ghost but I do not subscribe to pretenders, false prophets and false teachers.

You do not subscribe to the code of conduct for a congressional forum either.
Being baptized does not give you authority to accuse Kenneth Copeland.

 

[now faith]

As with the person who started this thread, I have been attending a calvary chapel church. They preach right out of the word of God without manipulation. I have decided to do what is my calling and my gift of evangelism. I have often had a problem because I do not want to bring people into a church where the Spirit is not moving but instead the people are into mysticism. I am happy to bring people to this church where they can hear the word of God. I have dealt with many Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses in the past and still do. It is very hard to deal with people who are so entrenched in lies, another gospel. It is hard to know that their religion is deception and to deal with their misuse of the word of God.

Is your pastor Steven Anderson?
It seems your post are from his teaching.

 

[now faith]

I agree. Nothing is wrong with being prospered to help others. I received help today to get some food in my house and when they gave me extra I gave 4 cantaloupes away to some neighbors to help. The people asked how much I want for them and I said "The best thing about receiving something for free is being a good steward and giving it away for free. God says "Give freely what has been given freely. But when people preach that if you give to God He will give back and all their energy is toward giving to receive riches and supporting a prosperity gospel instead of spreading the word and the gospel of Jesus Christ and Him crucified then there is a problem, greed. I cannot argue with the word rightly divided. Though you do not, others use the word to manipulate.

The Word also states if you give in secret God will reward you openly,thank you for sharing.

 

[now faith]

Here we go again. I think Kenneth Copeland's garden grew because he took good care of watering and tending it. Speaking and performing things a certain way is what witches do.

Satan is the accuser of the saints you may want to consider your statement carefully.

 

[now faith]

hhodgson,
1. Inanimate objects in scripture are considered non living things like the things used in the work of the priests and in the book of Zechariah with the lamps and the golden candlesticks in Revelation etc. even though they represent the angels of the church who were the preachers of the church who were real people.
The fig tree is not considered an inanimate object.
2. The Word of Faith doctrine of naming and claiming it and speaking things into existence is not exactly true in the complete context of Jesus ministry and teachings or at least how people took it to the extreme.
3. Just like any other doctrine there are extremes.
4. When Jesus preached to the nation of Israel he was offering the Kingdom of Heaven rule which is promised to the jewish nation through the Abrahamic and Davidic covenants. Abrahamic being the land and the Davidic as the Kingdom rule.
In the days of Jesus they could had have faith to achieve the same results as Jesus. This would seem to go in line with Paul calling things into existence things that are not existent. If it is true that it takes faith to move a literal mountain then if it did not it would be because people didn't really have faith.
It is said that in the millennial kingdom when the curse is lifted we will only have to speak and it will be done. This means we will have to have no faith. So if the person is only speaking and not really believing in faith could be the reason things don't come to be. There are other reasons such as God's will being done in earth as in heaven as in the Lord's prayer etc.
One might command an inanimate object such as a mountain to physically fall but unless God has a good reason for that to happen it most likely will not happen. You could have faith and most likely it will not happen.
At the same time, one could have faith to move the mountain literally to say build a church there or whatever and God could speak to the owner of the mountain and they could bulldozer it down. But according to the scripture speaking alone will not cause inanimate objects to do whatever you command it to do. Without proper faith and God's will working together it is hard pressed to call something into being. In the millennial kingdom we will be able to do this and think of where we want to be and be there. Food for thought Jerry kelso

For me I name and claim the Word of God,simple as that.

John: 15. 7. If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. 8. Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples. 9. As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. 10. If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
No matter how much it places a thorn in our critics side,they can debate the validy of such verses but they can never change them.

 

[bloodbought09]

Is your pastor Steven Anderson?
It seems your post are from his teaching.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithful_Word_Baptist_Church

Definitely not! I prefer KJV but I do not follow a pastor who calls on the death of Barack Obama or believes that homosexuals should get the death penalty. I do think the president is a baby killer and an immoral person but God is the ultimate judge. Steven should have submitted to the authorities at the checkpoint instead of being so rebellious. We should stand for our rights as Americans but not in a way that is violent and disrespectful to police who are doing their jobs. Homosexuality is a sin but we should be loving and let them know that God can deliver them from bondage.

 

[now faith]

" I been baptized in the Holy Ghost but I do not subscribe to pretenders, false prophets and false teachers."

"If I speak with the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging symbol."

If you think your fellow brother is in error, why don't you lovingingly, rather than critically, try to reveal truth through Scripture? Rather than come in with a Holier than though attitude?

 

[now faith]

It is not a attitude it is a code of conduct as a guest in the Word of Faith forum.

I do not have to tolerate our preachers being accused of witchcraft period.

 

[bloodbought09]

A wolf is not a brother of the sheep. I do not consider Kenneth Copeland my brother. Like I said "You do not have to speak to a garden to make it grow. Get the soil right, plant the seed, water, and God makes it grow. Kenneth Copeland is not God and Mr. Copeland has been known to say "God says I am, well I am too". The same lie in the garden, not the truth that we are to become like Christ but that as satan said "I will be like the Most High". Why are people so afraid to search out these people and see what they really preach? I cannot be an accuser of the brethren like satan if I am exposing someone who is not a brother or sheep but a wolf.

 

[bloodbought09]

http://www.letusreason.org/Pent11.htm

I guess it is fine to say "Everywhere you put your foot, I have given it to you. As I was with Moses, so I am with you."

 

[now faith]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithful_Word_Baptist_Church

Definitely not! I prefer KJV but I do not follow a pastor who calls on the death of Barack Obama or believes that homosexuals should get the death penalty. I do think the president is a baby killer and an immoral person but God is the ultimate judge. Steven should have submitted to the authorities at the checkpoint instead of being so rebellious. We should stand for our rights as Americans but not in a way that is violent and disrespectful to police who are doing their jobs. Homosexuality is a sin but we should be loving and let them know that God can deliver them from bondage.

There is much confusion about Word of Faith core doctrine,brought on during the same time biblical Faith was being taught.
Extremist were teaching insane promises not found in the Bible.
The baby was tossed with the bath water and every one was grouped together.
Core Word of Faith is based on scripture, anything else we do not consider.
seed for prayer is demonic
A certain amount of money given for a blessing is demonic.
We are accused of this and lumped together all the time.
If my reply was harsh please understand the thin skin God Bless

 

[now faith]

A wolf is not a brother of the sheep. I do not consider Kenneth Copeland my brother. Like I said "You do not have to speak to a garden to make it grow. Get the soil right, plant the seed, water, and God makes it grow. Kenneth Copeland is not God and Mr. Copeland has been known to say "God says I am, well I am too". The same lie in the garden, not the truth that we are to become like Christ but that as satan said "I will be like the Most High". Why are people so afraid to search out these people and see what they really preach? I cannot be an accuser of the brethren like satan if I am exposing someone who is not a brother or sheep but a wolf.

Are we not the sons of God?
Through Christ Blood have we or have we not been adopted into the family of God?
God spoke everything but man into existence,man he created in his own image.
does the Bible tell us to be imitators of God?
Mark 11 have faith in God.
speak to the mountain.
Why are people so afraid of the promises of God ?

 

[bloodbought09]

http://exministries.tv/kenneth-cope...-ecumenism-the-false-doctrine-of-catholicism/

No problem. If I were ever an accuser of the brethren that would be a sad place to be. I forgive you. Also been accused of being tied into Steven Anderson. We stand at the foot of the cross of Christ and that is way more important than these men people put on pedestals. But I will not follow Kenneth Copeland as he sucks up to the Pope and joins people to Catholicism and their doctrines. I have no problem with a brother who defends someone he thinks is legit but how hard it is to separate someone from a man and agree that Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life. At the end of the day I just hope to speak the truth even if:

Galatians 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

 

[now faith]

Acts: 3. 6. Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk. 7. And he took him by the right hand, and lifted him up: and immediately his feet and ancle bones received strength.

Acts: 13. 8. But Elymas the sorcerer (for so is his name by interpretation) withstood them, seeking to turn away the deputy from the faith. 9. Then Saul, (who also is called Paul,) filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him, 10. And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord? 11. And now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon thee, and thou shalt be blind, not seeing the sun for a season. And immediately there fell on him a mist and a darkness; and he went about seeking some to lead him by the hand.

God has given his children authority to speak healing and rebuke the devil.
I do not have time to list all the verses on speaking into existence things given to us by Christ.

Hebrews: 11. 3. Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
All I can tell you is there is power in the spoken word of God.

 

[now faith]

Do I agree with all Kenneth Copeland says,no.
Do I respect his lifetime of service absolutely.
At some point every man of God fails even Peter did,but Anti Christ doctrine is a much different ball game.
Billy Graham met with the Pope,did he bow to him no.Billy Graham brought millions to the Lord through his anointing and there were Catholics as well.

I watched the video on Copeland and the Pope.
Kenneth Copeland did what a man of God is called to do.
He prayed for him and blessed him,I bet you can find that to be Bibical.