I thought a lot of white South Africans emigrated to your country and New Zealand.
They did. But farmers can't take their land with them.
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I thought a lot of white South Africans emigrated to your country and New Zealand.
Thats precisely what social justice means: justice for a population.
As opposed to individual justice: trying a particular criminal, or seeking compensation for a wrong done to you personally.
If the lands are being confiscated then it would be beyond fear.That, and they are terrified that, if actual equality were achieved, women would treat men as badly as men have treated women, and/or black people would treat white people as badly as white people have treated black people.
It's mostly just fear. Fear and an unadmitted conviction of their own superiority.
Understand given the farmers are not being compensated.They did. But farmers can't take their land with them.
Whatever you might think of race relations in South Africa, this certainly looks like another step towards becoming a failed state. Rampant crime that can't be controlled, a corrupt ex-PM who has stolen tens of millions, a city of roughly half a million people runs out of water and now, farms will likely go the same way as Zimbabwe leading to food shortages
I know this is super unpopular to say, but perhaps they should get over it. What good is justice if it tears the nation apart? What use is revenge that causes you to starve?
I think they need to have a brutally honest conversation about race.
How do you think they got to that situation in South Africa?
Identity politics, tribalism, a culture of victimhood, prioritizing race...the exact same methods you see in the U.S. and Australia. I don't know how much of it your nation has seen...but we've started to get the social justice advocates who call for white genocide, who claim white DNA is an abomination, who think whites should give up their homes, land, even their inheritances to blacks. Why? Because history...it doesn't matter if no whites today participated in slavery...they're white so in some way or another, they benefited from it. It doesn't matter if no blacks alive today were ever enslaved...in some way or another, they're oppressed by it.
It's not just similar Paid....it's the same thing.
"Social justice" almost always runs counter to actual justice. That's why the adjective "social" is needed, to distinguish the two.
When the Harvester judgement in Australia established minimum wage laws, that was actual justice. A judge enforced a law requiring "fair and reasonable" wages to be paid.
But if I confiscate money from a "target group" (such as Jews, or white people) on the grounds of "social justice," it's theft. Even if I am, or pretend to be, motivated by high ideals, it's still wrong.
That's potentially dangerous thinking. In fact, that's why US universities have de facto racial quotas on Asians -- because their excellent high school results are seen as being "controlled by race."
It isn't just South Africa. In America, colleges are actually re-introducing segregation at the behest of the social justice types, excluding white students from certain dorms or student centers. The term white and whiteness are used as synonyms for everything wrong with western society. The media praises groups like blm who regularly engaged in attacks on people for being white during their riots or protests. This is a major reason for the rise of white nationalism in this country.
Clearly all original Marxist members of BLACK LIVES MATTER.Whatever you might think of race relations in South Africa, this certainly looks like another step towards becoming a failed state. Rampant crime that can't be controlled, a corrupt ex-PM who has stolen tens of millions, a city of roughly half a million people runs out of water and now, farms will likely go the same way as Zimbabwe leading to food shortages
Fine by me.
So long as we recognize that isnt the only legit sense of justice.
That could be. I remember reading in "Cry, the Beloved Country" the main character stated that the day would come the white government would realize their ways were wrong but it would come too late.
Seems such was "prophetic."
Sorry, I should have been more clear; I think the people arguing against it because they are defining it narrowly as being about collective guilt/oppression haven't had much involvement in it.
Chuck Schumer said just today our next Supreme Court Justice should be the right color or gender. Forget about qualifications. All that matters is Identity.
We've gone insane.
From an Australian point of view, that's just weird. But then, our issues with race are very different. (Most of our race issues are to do with questions of migration and resulting cultural change, rather than having two fairly clearly-identified groups vying for dominance).
To me, it looks like they took some valid concepts (there's a lot to be said for being conscious of different world views to your own culture's, for example) and then pushed them ab adsurdum. (Although the reporting looks pretty sensationalist, too, so I'm taking it with more than a grain of salt).
But that has very little to do with the social justice landscape as a whole, and certainly internationally, where the issues are very different to in the U.S.
Is that how it looks? Vying for dominance?
I think South Africa would disagree with you there. I'm not pretending to speak for Australia, though I've seen much of the same there, so please don't pretend to speak for the entire world.
The left likes to talk about how important race, culture, and identity are....yet when white men voted for a white man, they're suddenly confused. They don't want to entertain the idea that their politics lead down this path.