Sounds like US was best prepared for pandemic

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The President had a plan?

THe CDC did. Its their job.

 

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I think we can evaluate the claim that there was a better plan than the old NSC one by what we observe. The NSC plan would have had us start looking at long-term issues such as availability of equipment as early as possible. We delayed it too long.

But what S Korea and others did differently is that their contact tracing kept them out of the situation we're in. I'm not clear why we didn't succeed. As I recall, we started contact tracing from the beginning. The biggest difference I'm aware of is that we weren't ready with large-scale testing soon enough for it to support early contact tracing. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable can say whether there were other reasons it didn't work. We're ramping up now, but it's now too late.

From what i've read, at first virus tests could only be made at the CDC. That was the policy put in place before TRump. Unless im mistaken. Im going off of memory and cant remember where i read that.

 

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It's true that Trump didn't precisely call it a hoax. However he did minimize it until it was too late. I think the reason the US is growing faster than Europe is because they started isolation sooner. It will take a couple of weeks for results to show in the US.

Precisely? He didnt call the virus a hoax at all. He was referring to democratic criticism as the hoax.

 

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Meanwhile, the US leads the world with the most cases of the virus. Not exactly an advertisement for 'best prepared'. How the Coronavirus Became an American Catastrophe

At one Time South Korea lead the Us in virus cases. Were they not prepared?.Lots of blame going around, not sure how it helps right now. Especially with all the misinformation going around and opinions being reported as fact by the media..

 

[Tanj]

THe CDC did. Its their job.

You think it's the CDC's job to enact national healthcare policy?

Do alot of republicans think that? It would explain much.

 

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You think it's the CDC's job to enact national healthcare policy?

Do alot of republicans think that? It would explain much.

They are Doctors after all, and Trump/congress are not. However you might have a point. It takes both Doctors and the Government to create such a plan. We had a plan in place, the problem is with CDC testing that was manufactured wrong.

 

[Tanj]

They are Doctors after all, and Trump/congress are not.

Indeed.

However you might have a point. It takes both Doctors and the Government to create such a plan. We had a plan in place, the problem is with CDC testing that was manufactured wrong.

To be honest, the plans were there, as this thread accurately states, and all levels of government the US was adequately prepared. However, the entire preparedness hinged on massive, wide spread testing.

The real question is why, in a country that prides itself on individualism and freedom, was there so much red tape and bureaucracy around this.

Of course, you still have murderous lunatics like the governor of Mississippi, so it's actually not clear to me if it was ever possible to prevent the several million American deaths coming in the next few months.

 

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They are not mutually exclusive. It takes both. The problem with testing in america is due to flawed CDC tests due to some kind of manufacturing problem, and also CDC and FDA regulations put in place before Trump.

I’m sorry, that’s crud.

Trump has been president for nearly four years, now. Four years. Despite what he might tell you, this didn’t sneak up on us. We’ve know a pandemic of this scale was a possibility for a while now, and he’s had four years to make sure we were prepared for it.

He can change regulation. He can have people look into things. He has the power. He’s the president, he’s in charge.

He can’t just point the finger when bad things happen and want praise when good things happen. He has to take responsibility.

 

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Indeed.



To be honest, the plans were there, as this thread accurately states, and all levels of government the US was adequately prepared. However, the entire preparedness hinged on massive, wide spread testing.

The real question is why, in a country that prides itself on individualism and freedom, was there so much red tape and bureaucracy around this.

Of course, you still have murderous lunatics like the governor of Mississippi, so it's actually not clear to me if it was ever possible to prevent the several million American deaths coming in the next few months.

Maybe we can already implement wide spread testing, i dont know. Maybe we will do that, i dont know.

 

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I’m sorry, that’s crud.

Trump has been president for nearly four years, now. Four years. Despite what he might tell you, this didn’t sneak up on us. We’ve know a pandemic of this scale was a possibility for a while now, and he’s had four years to make sure we were prepared for it.

He can change regulation. He can have people look into things. He has the power. He’s the president, he’s in charge.

He can’t just point the finger when bad things happen and want praise when good things happen. He has to take responsibility.

and he’s had four years to make sure we were prepared for it.

Maybe we were prepared for it. The problem with the US is that CDC tests were manufactured wrong.

He can change regulation. He can have people look into things. He has the power. He’s the president, he’s in charge.

The regulation is meant to protect Americans. The CDC has that obligation. They cant just let people use unproven tests. THe CDC plan was sound, the problem is that they manufactured their own tests wrong. That hindered our efforts.

Trump has done good things. He imposed travel restrictions for one.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Looks like we’re gonna have to call this the “American virus.”

 

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'It's a two-way street': Trump suggests federal coronavirus aid will be given to governors who 'treat us well'

Another great example of leadership in these trying times?

 

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'It's a two-way street': Trump suggests federal coronavirus aid will be given to governors who 'treat us well'

Another great example of leadership in these trying times?

I would need to see the context of this conversation. So far all i have seen are sound bites. Trump is being accused of making this a condition, but it sounds like hes just saying the states need to do their part as well. He says they cant just ask the Feds for everything. The government is building hospitals and supplying ventilators too. So i think trump criticism isn't warranted here.

 

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They are not mutually exclusive. It takes both. The problem with testing in america is due to flawed CDC tests due to some kind of manufacturing problem, and also CDC and FDA regulations put in place before Trump.

Fighting the spread of the virus is not upto just government or scientists.
It is upto the people, to understand the threat and to drastically change their lifestyles, to stay home and limit their bubble of contact to only a very small amount of people.

Problem is, all the mixed messages coming from the top in USA, so many people who should know better, should have known better, they should have been putting out dire warnings to the people. Not claiming that this is just like the flu, not claiming that people get better even while they are working.

I can see why many right wing supporters are so confused and are down playing this threat, and are probably out walking, socialising and relaxing in public. The messages from the top and from their media sources have failed them massively, and hence they are continuing to spread the disease walk walking around smugly smiling, wondering if the world has gone made with all this "needless" panic.

 

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I would need to see the context of this conversation. So far all i have seen are sound bites. Trump is being accused of making this a condition, but it sounds like hes just saying the states need to do their part as well. He says they cant just ask the Feds for everything. The government is building hospitals and supplying ventilators too. So i think trump criticism isn't warranted here.

So to be clear then, you feel there ARE times when the President of the United States should be able to withhold needed supports from states due to personal vendettas.

 

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So to be clear then, you feel there ARE times when the President of the United States should be able to withhold needed supports from states due to personal vendettas.

From what i have seen so far, thats not what Trump meant. He was just saying that the states had to do their part as well.

 

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The media is feeding anti trump mongering. Much of what is being reported is half truth, half the story, and is reporting opinion as fact as well. Its going to come down to a heated Presidential race. Thats what this is about.

 

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From what i have seen so far, thats not what Trump meant. He was just saying that the states had to do their part as well.

Can you show me what you've seen so far? Or is that just this article so far?

He said the words "treat us well." He did not say "do their part".

The media is feeding anti trump mongering. Much of what is being reported is half truth, half the story, and is reporting opinion as fact as well. Its going to come down to a heated Presidential race. Thats what this is about.

I think i'd call you out on your use of the word "much". BEcause "much" of it is NOT half truth or half the story; in fact, very, VERY little of it is. There have been only a few stories that have been either of those. Conversely, you have a president who has lied, what 15,000 times as president.

Why are you more likely to believe Donald Trump? I mean, he is a known and serial liar who can't be trusted...like, at all.

 

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Can you show me what you've seen so far? Or is that just this article so far?

He said the words "treat us well." He did not say "do their part".

I think i'd call you out on your use of the word "much". BEcause "much" of it is NOT half truth or half the story; in fact, very, VERY little of it is. There have been only a few stories that have been either of those. Conversely, you have a president who has lied, what 15,000 times as president.

Why are you more likely to believe Donald Trump? I mean, he is a known and serial liar who can't be trusted...like, at all.

He said the words "treat us well." He did not say "do their part".

We dont actually have the context of the conversation, we are judging on soundbites alone.

By "treat us well" he meant by not demanding that the Fed do everything. IOW Hes telling them they have to do their part as well meaning that they should also try to get want they need and not just depend on the FEd alone.. Thats what i take away from his comments anyway. He seems to be saying they should treat the Fed good by not demanding everything from the FEd alone. He didnt however say that was required to get Fed help. He was just saying, yea, we treat you right (by sending ventilators and building hospitals ) but you have to treat us right too.

If you scroll down in the article in the link below, you will see a video of Trump's remarks. I wasnt able to post it here though. https://www.vox.com/2020/3/25/21193803/trump-to-governors-coronavirus-help-ventilators-cuomo

 

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It appears America was best prepared for this pandemic than any one else in the world. We had processes and procedures in place to deal with this sort of thing. That's of course no thanks to any one person or president but a work of our government as a whole. So for those claiming we were I'll prepared and it was all of Trump's fault, we actually we're very prepared as of 2019. So as long as we followed our policies and procedures, which I'm sure we have it appears the leftists are barking up the wrong tree with the blame game.

That's not to say we can't be better. Ranking #1 in the world just means we were the best, it doesn't mean we have achieved everything we could. It appears we definitely need to make more changes in the way we do things and have those processes in place for the next one. I am confident we will.
US was ranked the best-prepared country for a pandemic in late 2019 by a Johns Hopkins study

I don't think we followed any good policies. Where were the basic supplies for medical personnel? Where was the testing to track and contain the contagion? Why weren't the private labs acuisitioned for this purpose. It's like we just let the thing spread and we're now in the worst case scenario hunkered down trying to not get infected, hoping our hospitals are not overwhelmed.