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Sounds like US was best prepared for pandemic

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by rjs330, Mar 25, 2020.

  1. rjs330

    rjs330 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah thats because we don't have socialized medicine. If we bought into socialized medical medicine we would be very high in that area.
     
  2. rjs330

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    We would have too if the testing hadn't failed. You can hardly blame the president or the plan for that.
     
  3. rjs330

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    I whole heatedly agree that Americans, the states and cities overall didn't take the steps necessary to stop the spread. All that needed to happen was for cities and states to impliment the things needed to slow this down. Take a look at New York and the mayor telling people even recently to travel.

    Thousands and thousands of Americans went in spring break.

    Unfortunately Americans are notorious for their independent spirit. "The government can't tell me what to do." Most times that's great, but now not so much.

    Our University has shut down and we STILL have students mad about it. They would have come anyway.
     
  4. rjs330

    rjs330 Well-Known Member

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    This from the article.
    An NSC official confirmed the existence of the playbook but dismissed its value. “We are aware of the document, although it’s quite dated and has been superseded by strategic and operational biodefense policies published since,” the official said. “The plan we are executing now is a better fit, more detailed, and applies the relevant lessons learned from the playbook and the most recent Ebola epidemic in the [Democratic Republic of the Congo] to COVID-19.”
     
  5. pitabread

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    Reportedly Italians were of the same attitude about a month ago.

    On a related note, the U.S. is now showing the most cases of COVID-19, having just passed China.
     
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  6. Paulos23

    Paulos23 Never tell me the odds!

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    Also from the article:
    They failed to take the lead in January, and it wasn't until March that the states started taking their own actions. If Trump had taken the lead in January, we would not be where we are now and be better equipped and prepared. Not perfect, but we would not have the shortages we have now.
     
  7. rambot

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    No. It has to do with access to healthcare. I don't think all of the 174 countries doing better than you all have socialized medicine
     
  8. SummerMadness

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    Travel restrictions versus expansive testing. I guess that's why it's America First, South Korea not.
     
  9. rjs330

    rjs330 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, I'm not trusting the commies on that.

    That's not to downplay us though. But we'll get through this too.
     
  10. hedrick

    hedrick Senior Veteran Supporter

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    Nope. Ideology can blind people to the most obvious facts.
     
  11. JackRT

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    The President had a plan?
     
  12. hedrick

    hedrick Senior Veteran Supporter

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    I think we can evaluate the claim that there was a better plan than the old NSC one by what we observe. The NSC plan would have had us start looking at long-term issues such as availability of equipment as early as possible. We delayed it too long.

    But what S Korea and others did differently is that their contact tracing kept them out of the situation we're in. I'm not clear why we didn't succeed. As I recall, we started contact tracing from the beginning. The biggest difference I'm aware of is that we weren't ready with large-scale testing soon enough for it to support early contact tracing. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable can say whether there were other reasons it didn't work. We're ramping up now, but it's now too late.
     
  13. stevil

    stevil Godless and without morals

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    This is a problem with all Western styled nations.
    None of them have been fearing very well at flattening that curve.

    But USA is doing the very worst out of all of them.
    At least they don't currently have the death rate that Italy has.

    I'm not sure of all the missteps or the good steps that USA have taken. All I am sure of is that USA shouldn't be boasting of anything right now. Especially about being the most prepared.

    From what I have seen on TV is that Donald Trump himself has been stating a lot of misinformation, and in early days was down playing the whole situation. When I compare that to the daily briefing by my own Prime Minister, well, I'm very thankful that I am not a USA person and not in the USA right now.
    My country is just starting to get hit by Corona virus, most of our cases are of people coming back home from overseas. We are already in lock down and it will last for at least a month. Will be interesting to see how our curve goes in two weeks from now. At the moment it is going up and up just like the other western nations and we expect it to keep going up at this rate for the next week or two.
     
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  14. JackRT

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    Me too.
     
  15. fwGod

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    There's been a misunderstanding.

    Trump referred to the alleged “politicizing” of the coronavirus by Democrats as “their new hoax.” He did not refer to the coronavirus itself as a hoax. Throughout the speech, Trump reiterates his administration is taking the threat of the coronavirus seriously.

    Politico appears to misconstrue the subject of the president’s statement, claiming that Trump “tried to cast the global outbreak of the coronavirus as a liberal conspiracy intended to undermine his first term.” But an examination of the video and transcript show Trump actually described Democratic complaints about his handling of the virus threat as “their new hoax.”

    Some Democrats, including former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg and former Vice President Joe Biden, have criticized the administration’s response to the outbreak as rudderless and ill-prepared due to Centers for Disease Control and National Institutes of Health budget cuts and leadership by Trump. But The Associated Press called this characterization “distorted” since the agencies haven’t seen loss of funding and have a “playbook to follow for pandemic preparation” regardless of who’s president.

    At no point in the rally does Trump directly call the novel coronavirus outbreak a “hoax” or “conspiracy.” In fact, he refers to the respiratory virus as a “public health threat” and reiterates “we have to take it very, very seriously. That’s what we’re doing. We are preparing for the worst.”

    Trump denied that he called the coronavirus a “hoax” in a Feb. 29 press conference. He said he was “referring to the action that they take to try and pin this on somebody because we’ve done such a good job. The hoax is on them. I’m not talking about what’s happening here. I’m talking what they’re doing. That’s the hoax,” according to NBC News. (taken from "checkyourfact.com)
     
  16. hedrick

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    It's true that Trump didn't precisely call it a hoax. However he did minimize it until it was too late. I think the reason the US is growing faster than Europe is because they started isolation sooner. It will take a couple of weeks for results to show in the US.
     
  17. coffee4u

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  18. JackRT

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    That was a very chilling indictment.
     
  19. coffee4u

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    Lets all hope and pray that doctors across the world can come together to beat this thing and stop that happening.
     
  20. Need answers

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    They are not mutually exclusive. It takes both. The problem with testing in america is due to flawed CDC tests due to some kind of manufacturing problem, and also CDC and FDA regulations put in place before Trump.
     
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