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Sounds like US was best prepared for pandemic

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by rjs330, Mar 25, 2020.

  1. SummerMadness

    SummerMadness Senior Veteran

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    This bears quoting again, this thread is a red herring. Being prepared to address a crisis is not the same thing as responding to a crisis. Had they responded to the crisis in the way South Korea responded to the crisis, we would likely be in a different position (both countries had their first recorded case of coronavirus on the same day). What matters is whether you responded to the threat appropriately; South Korea did, the United States did not.
     
  2. iluvatar5150

    iluvatar5150 Well-Known Member

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    If you read the report, that’s not nearly the entirety of what it looks at. Yes, it looks at whether we’ve made certain plans or run certain simulations, but it also looks at things like access to communication, access to healthcare, and capacity of government to halt travel and trade.

    But to answer your question of what we didn’t follow through on, here’s one example:

    Trump undermines the professional communications every time he says or tweets something inaccurate or misleading. That represents a failure to implement the plan for which this report awarded a high score.
     
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  3. rjs330

    rjs330 Well-Known Member

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    What incompetence? You cannot say someone is incompetent if they followed the plan. Do you have evidence that the plan was presented and the president said "we are not going to follow the plan"?

    Does Brooke's? Maybe previous administrations should have consulted with Brooke's in order to create the plan. Did they?

    I will say the president botched this IF you can show that the people presented the plan to the president and he decided not to follow it. If they said "Mr President our plan says we need to do this now." And the president said"No we are not going to" then he totally botched it.

    Until then, criticize the plan. Because if the plan failed then it's the plan, not the president.
     
  4. solid_core

    solid_core Well-Known Member

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    If you want to ignore Germany, South Korea and many other countries, then yes, you are the best in the world.

    In a real universe, you are doing better than Italy, Spain, France and Iran, for now. But still, they have enough of toilet paper.
     
  5. rjs330

    rjs330 Well-Known Member

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    At some point governor's, mayor's, American citizens themselves have to take responsibility for the spread. We've been told for quite some time what we need to do to flatten the curve. Yet we still travelz go on Spring break, crowd together etc. Most of this taking place in the crowded cities. The refusal of people to do what's necessary does not rest on the president or the federal plan.
     
  6. rambot

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    To have a system described as prepared and yet having one of the worst results, in my mind's, falls squarely on ineffective leadership that did not use the right tools at the right time.

    Whichs is not to say the right tools are not being used now. Just that they weren't used for greatest impact. Perhaps that happens when the seriousness of the disease is constantly downplayed as a threat for over a month
     
  7. GreatLakes4Ever

    GreatLakes4Ever Well-Known Member

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    Governors are taking responsibility with their “Safe at Home” orders and attempting to purchase medical equipment (when Trump doesn’t outbid them). They for sure are going to be responsible when Trump says the country is open again on Easter and they flat out ignore him and continue their policies. He’ll probably have a psychotic break when he is clearly not listened to anymore. It’s why he needs the stock of medical supplies as leverage, otherwise he will be wholly irrelevant in this crisis which is the last thing you want from a leader.
     
  8. GreatLakes4Ever

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    I’m honestly still trying to figure out what you were hoping to accomplish with this thread. It could be effectively argued that USA’s problems dealing with Covid-19 is systemic. Just how our country is designed could be a major hinderance. You bring up how we are “the best prepared”. Look outside, we’re one of the worst countries at dealing with this. What happened? Execution, which starts at the Executive Branch of the Federal Government, failed. In my view, you just scored an own goal against yourself by highlighting how we should be fine but aren’t due to a failure in execution.

    If you wanted to carry water for Big Papa Trump, you would have been significantly better off never mentioning this report which I didn’t know existed until you brought it up.
     
  9. rjs330

    rjs330 Well-Known Member

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    How soon from our first knowledge of this virus coming here does the plan say we should have started testing everyone? Apparently the plan esyablishes the CDC is in charge of the testing proceedures and if there is a failure of the tests it's NOT ON THE PRESIDENT. The plan was followed.
     
  10. rjs330

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    I don't trust China either. With any of this. The other point to make is that China is also a communist country with total full control of it's citizens. They will use the military to shut things and people down hard. We don't do that here. Can you imagine the uproar if the military marched in and started shutting everyone down at gun point?
     
  11. rjs330

    rjs330 Well-Known Member

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    We have the timeline wehere we acted and the proceedures we took. Does that timeline match the plan? Where does the plan say we should do something and the president refuses to do it?
     
  12. Tom 1

    Tom 1 Optimistic sceptic Supporter

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    You really need to reflect a bit on how ridiculous this line of thought is.
     
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  13. rjs330

    rjs330 Well-Known Member

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    You still have yet to provide evidence that we failed to follow the policies and procedures. A bunch of opinions, but no actual evidence.
     
  14. Paulos23

    Paulos23 Never tell me the odds!

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    And who is in charge of the CDC? The President.

    I am sure, and I think there is reporting on this, that the CDC and other people came to the White House saying plans should be activated. The President didn't act, and based on his statements at the time thought it would stay in China. Anyone in the CDC would have told him no, but the President claims to be an expert on everything, and when you counter him he shuts down or shuts you down.

    The more you claim the President is not responsible for this crisis, the more it is clear that he is. The buck stops at the President's desk, whether he likes it or not.
     
  15. rjs330

    rjs330 Well-Known Member

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    I think you are right on this one. I do believe he was trying to be optimistic about stuff originally. He's changed his tune though. BUT he shouldn't have said stuff like "15 then 0". That was totally inaccurate.
     
  16. rjs330

    rjs330 Well-Known Member

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    So you have nothing?
     
  17. GreatLakes4Ever

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    Where is this plan you speak of? Your link in the OP goes to stats. Show me the plan and I’ll find where Trump failed. The stats say we should be succeeding but aren’t.
     
  18. wing2000

    wing2000 E pluribus unum Supporter

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    pffft. Obviously, none of us were in the White House meetings. We can, however, judge the President's performance by the lack of results.

    Let's take one example:
    Respirators

    By early February (if not sooner) it was obvious, based on the experience in China, that x number of respirators would needed to support an infected population.

    What did the President do?
     
  19. rjs330

    rjs330 Well-Known Member

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    The buck does stop at his desk. But if you are president you depend in established plans on procedures. Otherwise why bother having them? You don't build these things in order just to ignore them. So if the plan say to do this or that and you do this or that and it doesn't work it's not the presidents fault.

    So my question stands. When did the CDC say, "Mr. President, we need to do this now cause that's the established plan" and the president refused to do it?

    If you have proof of this and it was a critical incident then the president failed.
     
  20. rjs330

    rjs330 Well-Known Member

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    The report says we were the best prepared. You say we failed. So it's up to you to prove that we failed to follow our plan. If we did follow the plan thennits a failure of the PLAN which was created long before the president took office.
     
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