soul sleep
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If he believes that you live on after death, and that Jesus taught as much, he is discounting every text I provided that says other wise, even the ones where Jesus equates death to sleep.
Saying "That's just the body" is completely unscriptural, as there is no indication that the soul is anything other than what God said it is: dust+breath of life.
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The body consciousness of which is in the heart, ie, is specifically in the soul thus the soul animates the body (immaterial part) giving it life.
Again the souls in Rev.20:4 are completely human (typical of man).
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One needs to have a fear of God due to immediately awaking in very uncomfortable hell only to have to await being cast in the lake of fire with one's new body - my point: After one long earthly party (churches also become a part of the earthly party of course after 1930 for sure, ie, going to be a lot of surprises after one passes on), and just go to sleep after the party, isn't contextually valid; however translated Texts do support "soul sleep."
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The soul is the combination of the breath of God and the dust of the earth. I agree that the souls in Rev 20:4 are human because that's what souls are. Humans are souls. We do not posses them.
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psuche - 1) breath 1a) the breath of life 1a1) the vital force which animates the body and shows itself in breathing 1a1a) of animals 1a12) of men 1b) life 1c) that in which there is life 1c1) a living being, a living soul
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Rightly understood...fear him which is able to destroy both breath and body in hell
How can we understand this? When man dies what happens to him?
Ecc 12:7 - Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
When man's life is taken by another man, the breath returns to God. Man cannot destroy/kill the breath of life from God. God however can destroy both.
Eze 18:20 - The soul that sinneth, it shall die.
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We're making some progress, ie, let's look at Acts20:10 for a moment. "soul" (A.V. "life") Eutychus was dead is now alive, as Paul fell on him, has his soul in him - Paul brought the dead man's soul back as Elijah and Elisha had done hence here the soul animates (immaterial part) the body giving it life.
Pretty wonderful God defeating death where no one dies, dies, snoozes or whatever, but immediately awakens somewhere.
Just ol' old wide awake, for now, Jack
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I know that in the Bible it does state - to be absent from the body, is to be present with the Lord. I used to say absolutely, that after we do pass from this earth, we go to be with Him in Heaven but I have heard the argument for "soul sleep" - meaning that after we die, our souls do stay "asleep" and that at the last day, both body and spirit rise up at the resurrection of the dead and then we are judged accordingly.
If either we go right to be with Him when we do die or we are in a state of "sleep", to me, whats more important is making sure that others do indeed hear the message of Christ before they do pass from this life, so that in the next, they can enter into His rest that He gives to those that call Him Lord, God, King, and Savior.
This is but one of the many mystery's of God and sometimes its just best to let a mystery be a mystery in order that His words might be taken to the ends of the earth and that those who hear His message might be saved within this life and also saved in the next
Christ is everything! He is alive in me today
If either we go right to be with Him when we do die or we are in a state of "sleep", to me, whats more important is making sure that others do indeed hear the message of Christ before they do pass from this life, so that in the next, they can enter into His rest that He gives to those that call Him Lord, God, King, and Savior.
This is but one of the many mystery's of God and sometimes its just best to let a mystery be a mystery in order that His words might be taken to the ends of the earth and that those who hear His message might be saved within this life and also saved in the next
Christ is everything! He is alive in me today
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The Bible states the angels escort our souls to be with the Lord. We will go to Paradise - there is a gulf that divides, those who did not know Jesus when they died are on one side of the gulf and cannot cross over. All await for the Great White Throne Judgment - those whose name is not found in the Book of Life are cast into the Lake of Fire with Satan and his angels.
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What's with this assumption that if Jesus made up a story He was lying? So I'm guessing you believe every parable was actually Christ telling a story that actually happened?
If you simply shed your body, and your true self (Spirit/soul) goes to Heaven, conscious and very much you, then Satan didn't lie. You didn't die, you simply transitioned from state of existence to another.
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Christ does not use false elements in a story to teach.
God be gracious to me a sinner.
God be gracious to me a sinner.
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Now firstly I did not say that when we die we go strait to our reward.
Death (Christian death) is simply us shedding our bodies until the Resurrection. Death has no sting for the Christian.
I am not saying that every parable was an actual event. I'm saying they teach truth through true to life accounts. Whether these be historical events from Christ's memory or not I can not say.
this parable in any event is not typical. It does not begin with 'the kingdom of heaven is like.." nor does it speak of the kingdom at all but rather Sheol. Also it is the only one with a named man.
Most parables teach through earthly allegory. This one teaches about afterlife and pre-judgement souls.
Sorry guy, Adam died and the serpent lied.
I do believe in body sleep.
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The point of the entire parable was what Christ said at the end: And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
This story having names associated with it only makes it hit closer to home.
I agree. Adam did die and the serpent did lie. Body sleep however is not something I read in the bible. Again, if your soul is the real you, and your body is simply a vessel which is shed, then you don't die when you exit the vessel, anymore than you die when you get out of your car. Such a notion is trying to have your cake and eat it to. "The body dies" is an excuse that allows for one to maintain that they have an immortal soul. This is not scriptural. If it were, then we wouldn't have texts that say the dead know nothing, and that they don't praise God.
If your immortal spirit remains cognizant, why would God refer to death as sleep?
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