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Featured Soul Sleep Biblically Impossible

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by Tree of Life, Aug 9, 2018.

  1. Davidnic

    Davidnic Well-Known Member Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    MOD HAT

    This thread has undergone a clean. If a post is deleted it was either a violation, quoted one or responded to one.

    Do not promote unchristian "revelation" like Urantia in the Christian areas.


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  2. JESUSKiDtommy

    JESUSKiDtommy GODLY LOVE for others is so important

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    Brother i know all these things in all these different denominations that people believe are not edifying.... and i also know what is edifying...... it is for us to pursue the very heart attitude of JESUS. Showing self sacrificing LOVE toward whoever GOD puts in our path. Showing HIS LOVE to be real in this world, to the people that need to see HIM. If our Spiritual Eye is singularly focused on JESUS and HIS WORDS OF LIFE... then our lives are filled with CHRISTLIKE LOVE. Is there anything that needs to be added?
     
  3. JESUSKiDtommy

    JESUSKiDtommy GODLY LOVE for others is so important

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  4. Saint Steven

    Saint Steven You can call me Steve

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    So, you come onto a discussion forum to disrupt discussion? Explain how that is love?
     
  5. JESUSKiDtommy

    JESUSKiDtommy GODLY LOVE for others is so important

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    i was only meaning to get around to what is really important in our lives... CHRIST LOVE IN US.... if that bothers you i am sorry.... very very sorry, but GOD has shown me that the pearl of great price is HIS LOVE in our hearts. GOD Bless
     
  6. Saint Steven

    Saint Steven You can call me Steve

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    Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.
     
  7. Butch5

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    Jesus said it was vision. What it was, was a preview of Christ's second coming. Before he took them up there He said,

    28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

    KJV Matthew 17:1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
    2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
    3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
    4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
    5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
    6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.
    7 And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid.
    8 And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only.
    9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead. (Matt. 16:28-17:9 KJV)

    Peter in his letter tells his readers that this was the power and coming of the Lord.

    16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
    17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
    18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount. (2 Pet. 1:16-18 KJV)


    Peter said it was the power and coming of the Lord. Since this happened before Jesus went to the cross it surely wasn't His literal second coming. The second coming couldn't happen before Jesus had even left the first time. Also, note that they appeared din glory. This is a reference to the Resurrection. John told his readers that the Holy Spirit hadn't come yet because Jesus had not yet been glorified.

    38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
    39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.) (Jn. 7:38-39 KJV)

    Surely Jesus wasn't resurrected before He even went to the cross.
     
  8. redleghunter

    redleghunter Thank You Jesus! Supporter

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    Again the question is “so what?”

    Moses and Elijah appeared.
     
  9. Butch5

    Butch5 Newbie Supporter

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    That's arbitrary, isn't it?
     
  10. Butch5

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    Actually, Elijah did die. It's also recorded in Scripture that about 15 years after the chariot incident he sent a letter to a king. He was taken up into the sky and translated somewhere else. Kind of like Philip was with the Eunuch.

    When we speak of Soul Sleep we really should define the doctrine. I've heard different versions of it. I don't hold to the doctrine. However, sleep is used often in the Scriptures as a metaphor for death. The reason is that God wants us to understand what happens at death. It's like one is asleep and the wakes up. When a person dies there is no consciousness, the person knows nothing then the wake up in the resurrection when God raises the dead. I don't hold to the idea of Soul Sleep because the soul doesn't literally sleep as some suggest. The soul according to the Bible is a living flesh being that consists of a body and the breath of God. When the breath of God returns to Him the soul dies. It ceases to exist, it's not literally sleeping, it's dead. However, it will be raised again thus the metaphor of sleep. In sleep one goes to sleep is unconscious of their surroundings and then awakens again. This is how it will be in death.
     
  11. Butch5

    Butch5 Newbie Supporter

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    yes, they appeared, in a vision.
     
  12. ewq1938

    ewq1938 Chewbacca kree! Supporter

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    What is ?
     
  13. ewq1938

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    The bible does not confirm that he died.
     
  14. ewq1938

    ewq1938 Chewbacca kree! Supporter

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    A real time event vision, seen by others. It wasn't fake. It was real.
     
  15. Butch5

    Butch5 Newbie Supporter

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    Your statement.
     
  16. ewq1938

    ewq1938 Chewbacca kree! Supporter

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    lol, no .
     
  17. Saint Steven

    Saint Steven You can call me Steve

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    Peter offered to build shelters for them. Who does that for a vision?
     
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