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Featured Soul Sleep Biblically Impossible

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by Tree of Life, Aug 9, 2018.

  1. redleghunter

    redleghunter Thank You Jesus! Supporter

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    No they are not. Jesus spoke a lot about Hades.
     
  2. ewq1938

    ewq1938 Chewbacca kree! Supporter

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    Where ?
     
  3. redleghunter

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    This is the Resurrection not what Paul speaks of in what I cited.

    Dead mortal body present with the Lord. That’s what the text says.
     
  4. redleghunter

    redleghunter Thank You Jesus! Supporter

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    Isn’t it clear. Present with the Lord. Where Jesus is.
     
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  6. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

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    Hell and the lake of fire are two separate places. The misunderstanding of what/where hell actually is comes from Gehenna Originating in 1620's church Latin, post biblical Hebrew Gehinnom. It's meaning was used figuratively for a final resting place, and is often translated as hell when it is reffering instead to the lake of fire/place of everlasting punishment.


    Strongs Concordance: 1067. Gehenna

    Gehenna, and originally the name of a valley or cavity near Jerusalem, a place underneath the earth, a place of punishment for evil.

    Of Hebrew origin (gay' and Hinnom); valley of (the son of) Hinnom; ge-henna (or Ge-Hinnom), a valley of Jerusalem, used (figuratively) as a name for the place (or state) of everlasting punishment -- hell.


    If we take the word back first to the original Greek it will bring us to Hades.

    Strongs concordance: Hades 86.

    The abode of Departed souls.

    The Grave, Hell


    Next we take it back to the original Hebrew word, Sheol.

    Strongs Concordance: Sheol 7585.

    Underworld. Place to which people descend at death.

    Grave, Hell, Pit


    Now there are multiple places in the bible that show the difference between the two, I am only going to show a few of the most Prominent. (Acts 2:27-31, 1 Peter 3:18-19, 2 Peter 2:4, Psalm 16:10, Revelation 20:13-14)


    It's easy to see from these passages that the lake of fire and hell are two different places. For if they were they same how could Hell be cast into itself? Hell is the grave and is cast INTO the lake of fire after the heavens(First and second parts of Heaven) and earth are destroyed by fire at Christ's coming.

    Hell is the grave.
     
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  7. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

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    Sorry brother, it does not say that.
     
  8. yeshuaslavejeff

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    Is the "text" like "the letter" that kills? Like so sad you don't understand ? (don't worry.... most don't) ..... just seek the truth, and keep seeking..... be willing and seeking Jesus .....
    Actually, too, it is true, yet time has no meaning.... so you're not 'exactly' wrong, just other things you believe because of your error do not agree with Scripture always.

     
  9. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

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    Yes at physical death it says the body dies and the soul sleeps. Each of those passages say the body is dead but the man within the tabernacle of flesh, the spirit/soul of the person, lives on and sleeps.
     
  10. redleghunter

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    Paul mentions nothing about time. He mentions presence with the Lord. Again the text actually says this.
     
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  11. redleghunter

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    The text suggests nothing of the kind. Sleep is the euphemism for a dead body. Because it looks asleep.
     
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  12. ewq1938

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    You said the body returned to God, prove it.
     
  13. vinsight4u

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    /nvm
     
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  14. FireDragon76

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    3 - symbolic significance, Jesus fulfills the Law and the Prophets.

    Elijah did not die, he ascended to heaven on a fiery chariot (2 Kings 2).

    According to a common Jewish tradition at the time, Moses body was taken into heaven after his death. There are references to this in one of the epistles in the New Testament (Jude 1:9).

    I don't believe soul sleep is consistent with the the belief of early Christians, but the Transfiguration is not the best argument for that.
     
  15. vinsight4u

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    /nvm
     
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    /nvm
     
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    /nvm
     
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    /nvm
     
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    /nvm
     
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  20. Saint Steven

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    Interesting points. I think 90% of what I have learned about the state of the dead comes from the story of the Rich Man and Lazarus. Tons of information about the afterlife. Although it was a view from before the resurrection. So we have to bear that in mind.

    One point that is overlooked concerning the Transfiguration is that Peter wanted to build shelters for the two visitors and Jesus. Many claim that the Transfiguration was a vision. But why would you build shelters for people in a vision? Apparently to Peter, they were living, breathing humans with a need for shelter.

    Matthew 17:1-4
    After six days Jesus took with him Peter, James and John the brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves.
    2 There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light.
    3 Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus.
    4 Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here. If you wish, I will put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah.”
     
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