Soterilosity - A person can lose salvation

[yeshuaslavejeff]

How can someone who is not His sheep hear and believe and become His sheep when you have to be a sheep to hear and follow?

(False premise or assumption there.)(apparently)
Like the women at the well became Jesus' sheep, and many others.... (et al)
She heard, believed, and became Jesus' sheep, leading many others to Jesus also.

 

[Hammster]

(False premise or assumption there.)(apparently)
Like the women at the well became Jesus' sheep, and many others.... (et al)
She heard, believed, and became Jesus' sheep, leading many others to Jesus also.

Where does it say she became a sheep?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Where does it say she became a sheep?

In the book of life. In Scripture it is seen. Or do you think she remained an unbeliever or a wolf like many here ?

 

[Hammster]

In the book of life. In Scripture it is seen. Or do you think she remained an unbeliever or a wolf like many here ?

It doesn’t say that she was a wolf.

 

[renniks]

So Jesus said to them again, “Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. All who came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them. I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.
— John 10:7-9

High one says we become His sheep?

By hearing his voice and entering through him. Both actions the sheep must take to become his. If your theology was correct it should read something like:"I go out and find my sheep, I drag my sheep into the fold, and they stay there because I give them no other choice."

 

[Hammster]

By hearing his voice and entering through him. Both actions the sheep must take to become his. If your theology was correct it should read something like:"I go out and find my sheep, I drag my sheep into the fold, and they stay there because I give them no other choice."

So you don’t need to be His sheep to hear and enter? What are you before that?

 

[BNR32FAN]

So Jesus said to them again, “Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. All who came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them. I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.
— John 10:7-9

High one says we become His sheep?

He says if anyone enters through Me he will be saved. Why would He say that if only the saved can enter thru Him to be saved? That doesn’t make sense to me.

 

[Hammster]

He says if anyone enters through Me he will be saved. Why would He say that if only the saved can enter thru Him to be saved? That doesn’t make sense to me.

You forgot the part where He’s the door of the sheep. Would He let one in who isn’t His sheep? I think not.

 

[renniks]

He says if anyone enters through Me he will be saved. Why would He say that if only the saved can enter thru Him to be saved? That doesn’t make sense to me.

Calvinists believe you get saved twice. That you have to be regenerated in order to be regenerated.

 

[renniks]

So you don’t need to be His sheep to hear and enter? What are you before that?

Lost.
Christ died once for all
Hebrews 10:10
Anyone who is thirsty May come.
Revelations 22:17

 

[BNR32FAN]

You forgot the part where He’s the door of the sheep. Would He let one in who isn’t His sheep? I think not.

Right so only those who are saved can enter so they can be...saved?

 

[Hammster]

Calvinists believe you get saved twice. That you have to be regenerated in order to be regenerated.

No.

 

[Hammster]

Lost.
Christ died once for all
Hebrews 10:10
Anyone who is thirsty May come.
Revelations 22:17

So it’s not His sheep that hear and follow, but the lost hear and follow.

 

[Hammster]

Right so only those who are saved can enter so they can be...saved?

No. Only His sheep.

 

[renniks]

No.

Yes. If you believe regeneration precedes faith, that is the reality.

 

[Hammster]

Yes. If you believe regeneration precedes faith, that is the reality.

No. But if the straw man is all you have, then okay.

 

[renniks]

So it’s not His sheep that hear and follow, but the lost hear and follow.

Luke 15:32

 

[Hammster]

Luke 15:32

So random posts are now your argumentation?

 

[renniks]

So random posts are now your argumentation?

How can one be considered lost if he was predestined from before birth for salvation, and the whole process is irresistible?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Yes. If you believe regeneration precedes faith, that is the reality.

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