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sons of light...

Discussion in 'Messianic Judaism' started by visionary, Oct 30, 2017.

  1. visionary

    visionary Your God is my God... Ruth said, so say I. Supporter

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    1 Thessalonians 5:4-5 talks about us as sons of light. But what does that mean. Do we "glow", or walk in His "light" or both? Yeshua also talked about us as the sons of light, stating that we must believe in the light to become the sons of light. John 12:36 Later Philippians 2:15 goes on and elaborates that we will be shining light 'appearing as light' in the future darkness. So is the message the light? Yeshua seems to be hinting that the " light" phenomena will be full body when we fully embrace the truth as it is in Him. Luke 11:34

    This future time when we "glow" with Him in us seems to also come "when we have the prophetic word made MORE SURE". 2 Peter 1:19 So looking for it prophetically I have found Isaiah 60:1 that there is a time when this light will shine upon us. Is this not our "hope of glory", this "light" which is a reflection of perfect unity between us and God? John 17:22-23
     
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  2. Ken Rank

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    This was a known phrase at that time. It can be applied to being of Christ because he is light in the dark world. But the word is also light, and being a son of light is akin to saying a son of the Word or child of the Word. The Essenes used that phrase and we find it in some DSS, and also the Mandeans (followers of John the Baptist) also called themselves by that phrase, though they used "children of the light." But in this case, I think it is a idiomatic phrase meant to depict one walking in righteousness.
     
  3. visionary

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    The phrase comes from somewhere and is not just a phrase. When Yeshua was transformed and the disciples later asked about His return they didn't believe He would die and be resurrected later, nor were they thinking about Him leaving them anytime soon. So what was going on in their minds at that time? Three of those disciples that were asking were also there to witness the transfiguration, so I am thinking they were really asking about when will that happen again. What they seen with Moses and Elijah on each side of Yeshua "all aglow" was something they too would love to experience. They knew He wanted them to be "with Him" and that would be in this "light" of transfiguration.

    This "sign of your coming" question could be more about another transfiguration, and Yeshua used it to open up their minds about more than they could comprehend at the moment but they would remember later and ponder the significance down through the ages.
     
  4. Ken Rank

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    I don't disagree... it is a phrase that appears in more than one place and is in the DSS.
     
  5. visionary

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    Even David received the promise of "light".
    2 Chronicles 21:7 However, the LORD would not destroy the house of David because of the covenant that he had made with David and as he promised to give a light to him and to his sons for ever.
     
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  6. rockytopva

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    If E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude that...

    Mass (m) = Energy (E/c2)

    And there are three varieties...

    Natural E/c2 - All mass is basically cooled plasma
    Mental E/c2 - Mentally, A mathematical formula, but this has chemical and spiritual properties as well.
    Spiritual E/c2 - E (motivation, warmth, love) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy)

    Comparing the light and the darkness, the opposite of E/c2 would be z (absolute zero)/ c (darkness)...

    Natural z/d - Nothing, empty space.
    Mental z/d - Again nothing but empty space.
    Spiritual z/d - z (laziness, coldness, hatred / d (fear, despair, greed, sorrow)

    A correct spiritual E/c2, or the divine light, is an important ally to the Christian faith. The Wesleyan's would not let you claim religion until the sweet presence of Christ came shinning through. They would tell you that you do not have it yet, come back tomorrow night
     
  7. visionary

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    Divine light is like the light of the transformation, both Elijah representing the living taken up and Moses representing the dead resurrected receive it. But there seems to be indication in scripture for a time during the darkest hours of earth's history, where the children of God "get it" and are transformed.

    Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

    When this transformation is complete.

    Ephesians 3:19
    And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

    This fullness of God is the fullness of His glory... which is shining through, surrounding us, and the final touch in the transformation. This is the fulness of Yeshua revealed on the mount of transfiguration, a promise for us too which the disciples wanted to know when it was coming.

    Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

    This "spiritual" light is a term that diminishes the reality into a phrase for conversation sake.
     
  8. rockytopva

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    If E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude that...

    Mass (m) = Energy (E/c2)

    And there are three varieties...

    Natural E/c2 - All mass is basically cooled plasma
    Mental E/c2 - Mentally, A mathematical formula, but this has chemical and spiritual properties as well.
    Spiritual E/c2 - E (motivation, warmth, love) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy)

    Spiritual energy / light...

    Is not material - It cannot be bought
    It is not intellectual - It cannot be taught

    It is something that flows out of our spiritual man. It is rather an incredible thing that one can be well versed in scripture mentally, and look the part physically, and still be devoid of the divine nature. And to quote Albert Einstien, the author of the E-=mc2 formula...

    "The real problem is in the hearts and minds of men. It is not a problem of physics, but of ethics. It is easier to denature plutonium than to denature the evil spirit of man. What frightens us is not the explosive power of the atom bomb, but the equally explosive powers of human personalities.

    "Man's skills have outstripped his morals. His engineering has leaped ahead of his wisdom. We cannot cancel or call back his scientific advance, but we can and must, if the world is to survive, help man to catch up. In God's name, if you still believe in God ... We must somehow get control of what science has given the world, or else we shall perish." - Albert Einstein

    It is in incredible thing, especially whey studying the gentile church, that the man can be originally good, and then harden his heart to the things of light and energy.
     
  9. Open Heart

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    We walk in His light. Light is the quintessential metaphor for truth, because seeing clearly and thinking clearly are so very similar.
     
  10. visionary

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    Yep, make it a metaphor, a simple explanation with no real meaning. ...then the light itself is diminished to conversation with no reality... that works.. sad
     
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