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Featured Sometimes the legends the stories are more important than literal history...

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Neogaia777, May 20, 2018.

  1. Radagast

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    I'm going by the Nicene Creed, our SoF. That's non-negotiable.
     
  2. Neogaia777

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    I'm going by the Bible...

    The Nicene Creed is very good, but it was made by men, and man...

    God Bless!
     
  3. Denadii

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    All legends and myth are based on historical fact. That's a fact. There is no legend in the bible...That too is a fact.
     
  4. Bobber

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    Nope! Don't think so! What could possibly be the purpose of talking about a metaphoric flood that would come as judgement for evil doing? It certainly would not create a sense of urgency to give up sin OR to generate a holy, awesome fear and reverence of God which is what Jesus was seeking to do. The sinner would exclaim bring all the metaphoric floods you want! I ain't giving up sin or even going to seek to do right!
     
  5. Neogaia777

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    My point is, instead of endless arguments and debates on the "literal historical truth of it", why don't we focus instead of what is more or should be most important to us about it, or what should be most important about it, to us...? Like it is to God...?

    Like it's metaphorical/symbolic meaning(s) and truths and what it was intended to speak or mean to us about the or it's "other truths" about us, and/or the gods (or angels)(spirits) and us, and God almighty, human behavior, ect...

    God Bless!
     
  6. Denadii

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    Nope..Too much proof that the flood happened, to be metaphorical. It was real.
     
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  7. Neogaia777

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    What are you talking about...?

    Certainly you don't think Jesus meant another literal flood by water do you...? That God himself promised he would never do or let happen again (the rainbow)...? But Jesus talked about a flood coming in the last days that would be "like" the flood of Noah during the last days... Now you don't think he meant another literal flood by water do you...?

    God Bless!
     
  8. Denadii

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    Dear one, the bible will mean nothing to anyone who does not read it aloud...Faith comes by hearing and hearing and hearing the Word of God. Reading it aloud is important because the FIRST voice your spirit will believe is your own. So let your ears hear your voice speaking Gods Word.
     
  9. Denadii

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    When God talked on the last days being like the days of Noah He never said anything about a flood.
     
  10. Neogaia777

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    He spoke of something that was to be "like a flood in the days of Noah" (Matthew 24:37-39)... And that it (this flood) would also be like in the days when fire reigned down on Sodom and Gomorrah (Luke 17:26-30)...

    So, the flood in the last days is "likened to" a flood by water, AND a destruction by fire, but, neither of which is to be meant or taken "literally" a flood by water, or destruction by fire, but is only "like" it/that...

    God Bless!
     
  11. dqhall

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    Jesus came proclaiming the truth. It is best to stick with the truth. Inspired people have made mistakes. God's perfection can not be comprehended by the imperfect. John wrote something like, John 1:5 The light shined in the darkness and the darkness did not perceive it.

    People may learn from stories, fables and legends. A story might teach God does miracles. Unless I get specific information about who God is, I might not recognize perfection. Imperfectly constructed legend cannot be perfect proof of perfection. Has God saved people from disasters? I believe so. God alerted me to dangers in traffic and saved me numerous times. God led me to believe a healthy diet/lifestyle produces fewer medical bills. I have read about other people who had been criminals and thanked God for helping them to find the straight and narrow. They are not building bridges to nowhere.

    God knows everything I ever did. God helped me to remember things. God does not give me carte blanche, or grant me any three wishes I want, yet I have not lost my reward. Because I sought to read authors better than me, there was some improvement. If I yet suffer, it is because of my unbelief.

    People get in allegorical ruts or patterns of bad habits. Someone who has smoked every day for years is not likely to stop smoking this morning, yet someone will stop smoking this morning. One ought defy the negativity and produce good habits. There are those who did not conform to the patterns of past failure and repented of smoking. They no longer smoke. Tobacco companies tried to program people to smoke. I ignored them. I can breathe easier and my fingers are not stinking yellow.

    One should not call God less than omniscient. It is a sinner who is not omniscient.
     
  12. Neogaia777

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    If God (the Father) did not show us through a/the God (The Son) who "was not fully omniscient", (at least, not as much as him (The Father)) then there would be no way for us to "know him" (the Father or the Son) or his/their heart, or feelings on matters, none of it, would not be possible, unless it was shown by and through one who was not 100% fully omniscient...

    God Bless!
     
  13. Denadii

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    When God mentioned the days of Noah He was NOT talking about a flood...In fact He swore that He would not destroy the Earth again by flood..When? Right after the flood of Noah. When He spoke of the days of Noah he was speaking of he condition of mankind. Look!

    Matthew 24:37-39 (CJB)


    Now read more about the last days and get a more complete story. Especially from verse 9
    Genesis 6 (CJB)
    6 In time, when men began to multiply on earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were attractive; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. 3 Adonai said, “My Spirit will not live in human beings forever, for they too are flesh; therefore their life span is to be 120 years.” 4 The N’filim were on the earth in those days, and also afterwards, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them; these were the ancient heroes, men of renown.

    (Maftir) 5 Adonai saw that the people on earth were very wicked, that all the imaginings of their hearts were always of evil only. 6 Adonai regretted that he had made humankind on the earth; it grieved his heart. 7 Adonai said, “I will wipe out humankind, whom I have created, from the whole earth; and not only human beings, but animals, creeping things and birds in the air; for I regret that I ever made them.” 8 But Noach found grace in the sight of Adonai.

    Haftarah B’resheet: Yesha‘yahu (Isaiah) 42:5–43:10 (A); 42:5–21 (S)

    B’rit Hadashah suggested readings for Parashah B’resheet: Mattityahu (Matthew) 1:1–17; 19:3–9; Mark 10:1–12; Luke 3:23–38; Yochanan (John) 1:1–18; 1 Corinthians 6:15–20; 15:35–58; Romans 5:12–21; Ephesians 5:21–32; Colossians 1:14–17; 1 Timothy 2:11–15; Messianic Jews (Hebrews) 1:1–3; 3:7–4:11; 11:1–7; 2 Kefa (2 Peter) 3:3–14; Revelation 21:1–5; 22:1–5

    Parashah 2: Noach (Noah) 6:9–11:32
    9 Here is the history of Noach. In his generation, Noach was a man righteous and wholehearted; Noach walked with God. 10 Noach fathered three sons, Shem, Ham and Yefet. 11 The earth was corrupt before God, the earth was filled with violence. 12 God saw the earth, and, yes, it was corrupt; for all living beings had corrupted their ways on the earth.

    13 God said to Noach, “The end of all living beings has come before me, for because of them the earth is filled with violence. I will destroy them along with the earth. 14 Make yourself an ark of gofer-wood; you are to make the ark with rooms and cover it with pitch both outside and inside. 15 Here is how you are to build it: the length of the ark is to be 450 feet, its width seventy-five feet and its height forty-five feet. 16 You are to make an opening for daylight in the ark eighteen inches below its roof. Put a door in its side; and build it with lower, second and third decks.

    17 “Then I myself will bring the flood of water over the earth to destroy from under heaven every living thing that breathes; everything on earth will be destroyed. 18 But I will establish my covenant with you; you will come into the ark, you, your sons, your wife and your sons’ wives with you.

    19 “From everything living, from each kind of living being, you are to bring two into the ark, to keep them alive with you; they are to be male and female. 20 Of each kind of bird, each kind of livestock, and each kind of animal creeping on the ground, two are to come to you, so that they can be kept alive. 21 Also take from all the kinds of food that are eaten, and collect it for yourself; it is to be food for you and for them.” 22 This is what Noach did; he did all that God ordered him to do.

    All of mankind had been corrupted with the exception of Noah, his wife, his three sons and their wives.

    If you dig deep you can find out how they were corrupted...Try it, and if you cannot find it I will tell you. You probably will have to do a word study to find it.
     
  14. Neogaia777

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    Your way off base and off point here... Are you just posting "completely random stuff", off the top of your head, or what...?

    I already know about the story of Noah and the flood, and am not going to any word search and/or research on it as I do not need to...

    Jesus said there would be "something" "like the flood" (and "like the fire" that rained down on Sodom and Gomorrah) in the last days, but only "like it" but not literally it...

    So, if you want to discuss that fine... But, I'm not going to respond anymore to a bunch of random stuff that you seem to be posting, to be...? What...? "impressed with yourself" or something...?

    Anyway,

    God Bless!
     
  15. Denadii

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    OK The fact of the matter is....You are looking at the time of the rapture in Matt 24....No flood. Your total lack of understanding of the Word says you need to get into it. You appear to be trying to understand the Word by using your intellect....That is what is causing your confusion......But if you don't want to listen....stop asking questions. I'm not particularly impressed with myself but I have been into the Word for forty five years....I also listen to my teacher...The Holy Spirit.
     
  16. Oloyedelove

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    You better listen to their advice, at this rate I pray you don't end up believing unbiblical stuff...
     
  17. Neogaia777

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    Yes, but how is the rapture, or events leading up to the rapture, like the flood...?

    Or, what will be like the flood...? I know, it says that many of the people will be acting like and be like or as they did, or were doing in the days of Noah and the flood, but what "event" or events, other than that will be like the floodwaters...?

    God Bless!
     
  18. Oloyedelove

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    What book, chapter and verse did Jesus say there will be a flood in the last days?
     
  19. Neogaia777

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    I won't... But, what advice...? To just "shut up"...? Why...? What am I doing that is so wrong...?

    The only thing I am saying is:" The most important aspects to the stories in the Bible are not so much their "literal interpretations", but their "spiritual" ones, and their spiritual implications for us... What is so very wrong about saying that...? (and in wanting people to quit the pointless arguing and instead, focus and concentrate on it/those, or that)...

    Again, what is so wrong about saying that...?

    God Bless!
     
  20. Neogaia777

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    "Like" a, or the flood in the days of Noah... not a literal flood but something "like" it...

    Post #30 (above)...

    God Bless!
     
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