Some Trump Supporters Think Mueller's Grand Jury Has Too Many Black People

[Albion]

This is why, the old adage; a grand jury could indict a ham sandwich, is actually pretty accurate.

I agree.

The addition of the "racist" claim doesn't change that, but since it was inaccurate, it deserved a rebuttal.

 

[bhsmte]

That’s why I dislike how they work.

As do I.

 

[NightHawkeye]

Here is the reality about a grand jury.
They are led by the prosecutor and that prosecutor, presents to them, whatever he wishes to and in whatever style they wish.
This is why, the old adage; a grand jury could indict a ham sandwich, is actually pretty accurate. If a prosecutor wants to indict someone, they can get a grand jury to do it. If a prosecutor does not want to indict someone, and has to go through a grand jury to make it look good, they change the way they present the case.

Not entirely true.

I am reminded of the Irving Mall "Vigilante Killer" some thirty years ago who shot and killed a man who had just shot and killed a woman outside the mall. The grand jury refused to indict.

It never made sense for the DA to try for an indictment against a good samaritan in Texas anyway. Even though the judge instructed the grand jury to indict, someone on the jury understood the concept of "jury nullification" and the grand jury simply disregarded the judge's explicit instruction.

 

[cow451]

Not entirely true.

I am reminded of the Irving Mall "Vigilante Killer" some thirty years ago who shot and killed a man who had just shot and killed a woman outside the mall. The grand jury refused to indict.

It never made sense for the DA to try for an indictment against a good samaritan in Texas anyway. Even though the judge instructed the grand jury to indict, someone on the jury understood the concept of "jury nullification" and the grand jury simply disregarded the judge's explicit instruction.

Your anecdotal example actually reinforces that grand juries that are capable of preventing an injustice are the exception.

 

[NightHawkeye]

Your anecdotal example actually reinforces that grand juries that are capable of preventing an injustice are the exception.

Up is down? Interesting.

Could it be that grand juries where you live don't care about justice? Or, maybe, instead, you have a very biased view of what grand juries do?

 

[cow451]

Up is down? Interesting.

Could it be that grand juries where you live don't care about justice? Or, maybe, instead, you have a very biased view of what grand juries do?

They work great until a prosecutor picks the wrong perp.
https://harvardlawreview.org/2017/02/restoring-legitimacy/

 

[NightHawkeye]

They work great until a prosecutor picks the wrong perp.
https://harvardlawreview.org/2017/02/restoring-legitimacy/

Ferguson? Really?

Do you know the truth?

 

[cow451]

Ferguson? Really?

Do you know the truth?

Didn’t read the whole thing? It’s lengthy and lots of references. Try again when you have more time as it’s about process and legitimate use and ways the system needs improving.

 

[cow451]

Ferguson? Really?

Do you know the truth?

Here’s a link the is a quicker read:
https://www.texasmonthly.com/the-daily-post/is-the-grand-jury-system-in-texas-broken/

 

[NightHawkeye]

Didn’t read the whole thing? It’s lengthy and lots of references. Try again when you have more time as it’s about process and legitimate use and ways the system needs improving.

When the basic premise is flawed, there's little reason for in-depth analysis.

Did you take the time to learn the truth about Ferguson?

 

[bhsmte]

Not entirely true.

I am reminded of the Irving Mall "Vigilante Killer" some thirty years ago who shot and killed a man who had just shot and killed a woman outside the mall. The grand jury refused to indict.

It never made sense for the DA to try for an indictment against a good samaritan in Texas anyway. Even though the judge instructed the grand jury to indict, someone on the jury understood the concept of "jury nullification" and the grand jury simply disregarded the judge's explicit instruction.

Do they have judges in grand juries in Texas? Grand juries typically don't have judges.

 

[NightHawkeye]

Do they have judges in grand juries in Texas? Grand juries typically don't have judges.

I didn't know grand juries in other places didn't have judges present.

Here's how it works where I used to live in Texas:
Grand Jury

A grand jury consists of 12 Tarrant County citizens selected by a district judge who presides over the grand jury.​

 

[bhsmte]

I didn't know grand juries in other places didn't have judges present.

Here's how it works where I used to live in Texas:
Grand Jury

A grand jury consists of 12 Tarrant County citizens selected by a district judge who presides over the grand jury.​

In most grand juries, judges are not present.

 

[Stormy]

Lying media makes up articles and idiots give them hits.
Trump is for all Americans. That is the truth, but not very exciting.

 

[rambot]

When the basic premise is flawed, there's little reason for in-depth analysis.

Did you take the time to learn the truth about Ferguson?

Lying media makes up articles and idiots give them hits.
Trump is for all Americans. That is the truth, but not very exciting.

So much truth.....and on the internet too!!!

 

[cow451]

When the basic premise is flawed, there's little reason for in-depth analysis.

Did you take the time to learn the truth about Ferguson?

Yes and Ferguson isn’t the rabbit trail I’m going down. That’s why I gave you another option.

 

[DaisyDay]

Except that there is NO supporting proof of any of it.

To believe your idea I have to accept a report from a gossip magazine that cites no supporting documentation or names.

It lack this little thing called proof

The New York Post is not a "gossip magazine"; it's a tabloid with a conservative slant. Page Six is their gossip page - it featured The Donald, as he was then known*, quite frequently, to his delight. The NYP is mostly read for its sports and its Page Six, but people here have been known to quote its other pages as if they meant something.

And hey, the National Enquirer did break the John Edwards scandal.

*other rags referred to him as "a short-fingered vulgarian".

 

[camille70]

Sounds like someone is trying to place the "race" card.