Some Church Father Quotes about Creation

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• ST. BASIL VOLUME 8. (330 - 379 A.D.)
And the evening and the morning were one day. Why does Scripture say "one day the first day"? Before speaking to us of the second, the third, and the fourth days, would it not have been more natural to call that one the first which began the series? If it therefore says "one day," it is from a wish to determine the measure of day and night, and to combine the time that they contain. Now Twenty-Four Hours Fill Up The Space Of One Day--we mean of a day and of a night; and if, at the time of the solstices, they have not both an equal length, the time marked by Scripture does not the less circumscribe their duration. It is as though it said: Now Twenty-Four Hours Fill Up The Space Of One Day, or that, In Reality A Day Is The Time That The Heavens Starting From One Point Take To Return There. Thus, every time that, In The Revolution Of The Sun, evening and morning occupy the world, their periodical succession never exceeds the space of one day.

• THE BOOK OF ST. BASIL ON THE SPIRIT HOMILY II pp. 64-65 (330 A.D. - 379 A.D)

Hexaemeron (Homily 2)
#8 from this site:

CHURCH FATHERS: Hexaemeron, Homily II (Basil)






St. Ephraim the Syrian (306-373 A.D.)
No one should think that the Creation of Six Days is an allegory"

*St. Ephraim the Syrian* / Commentary on Genesis Ch.1






• THE EPISTLE OF BARNABAS (61 A.D.)
The Sabbath is mentioned at the beginning of the creation: "And God made in six days the works of His hands, and made an end on the seventh day, and rested on it, and sanctified it." Attend, my children, to the meaning of this expression, "He finished in six days." This implieth that the Lord will finish all things in six thousand years, for a day is with Him a thousand years. And He Himself testifieth, saying, "Behold, to-day will be as a thousand years." Therefore, my children, in six days, that is, in Six Thousand Years, all things will be finished.
THE EPISTLE OF BARNABAS




• IRENAEUS AGAINST HERESIES BOOK 5 p. 557 (140-202 A.D.)

For in as many days as this world was made, in so many thousand years shall it be concluded. And for this reason the Scripture says: "Thus the heaven and the earth were finished, and all their adornment. And God brought to a conclusion upon the sixth day the works that He had made; and God rested upon the seventh day from all His works." This is an account of the things formerly created, as also it is a prophecy of what is to come. For the day of the Lord is as a thousand years; and in six days created things were completed: it is evident, therefore, that They Will Come To An End At The Sixth Thousand Year.




Early Church Fathers Believed in Young Earth Recent Creation


 
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Well that was a cool theory 2000 years ago.

this is not the debate forum. I just pointed out that going strictly by what the saints say, as this post is about what they wrote, we are not at year 6000.
 
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Something else the Fathers are clear about is that God did not need the whole of each day to create what He did. When He commanded the earth to bring forth, it occurred immediately, not over the space of 24 hours.
 
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this is not the debate forum. I just pointed out that going strictly by what the saints say, as this post is about what they wrote, we are not at year 6000.
Well didn’t you say that it has been over 7000 years since creation or did I just miss understand what you said?
 
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Well didn’t you say that it has been over 7000 years since creation or did I just miss understand what you said?

I said, since this thread is about what the Fathers say, is it's 7500 years. the Fathers' timetables are more than 6000. that was all I said.
 
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going strictly, we are just past 7500.

Would this be an argument against the so-called "consensus of the Saints" (and thus an argument against Orthodoxy's claims to validity)? That we are passed when they predicted the world is going to end?

You can make the argument that perhaps "Scripture" overrides this by the fact that Christ says nobody knows when He will return, but we still know basic facts about what's coming with the end of the world - the Antichrist, mass persecution, moral apostasy, etc. We still technically wouldn't know when the world will end by just the fact that it will end in 6000 years.
 
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There's also the argument that the Apostles really thought that Christ was coming soon, according to Father Seraphim Rose, which is what motivated them to go even as far as India with the likes of St. Thomas, which is why St. Peter says that Antichrist is in the world, with St. John saying "Behold, I am coming soon." and "the time is at hand."

I guess there wouldn't be a consensus then, assuming this argument is valid (although this starts a whole question on the inerrancy of Scripture if the Scriptural evidence is true).

I still struggle with the "consensus of the Saints", because it seems kind of something sticky and arbitrary, because nobody can really define the difference between "the majority of the Saints agreeing on something with some oddballs out, thereby establishing a consensus" and "there are some oddballs, therefore there is no consensus."
 
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Would this be an argument against the so-called "consensus of the Saints" (and thus an argument against Orthodoxy's claims to validity)? That we are passed when they predicted the world is going to end?

You can make the argument that perhaps "Scripture" overrides this by the fact that Christ says nobody knows when He will return, but we still know basic facts about what's coming with the end of the world - the Antichrist, mass persecution, moral apostasy, etc. We still technically wouldn't know when the world will end by just the fact that it will end in 6000 years.

no, because there is no known time when the world will end. we are called to prepare for it and labor, not try to figure out when.
 
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no, because there is no known time when the world will end. we are called to prepare for it and labor, not try to figure out when.
You can make the argument that perhaps "Scripture" overrides this by the fact that Christ says nobody knows when He will return, but we still know basic facts about what's coming with the end of the world - the Antichrist, mass persecution, moral apostasy, etc. We still technically wouldn't know when the world will end by just the fact that it will end in 6000 years.
 
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You can make the argument that perhaps "Scripture" overrides this by the fact that Christ says nobody knows when He will return, but we still know basic facts about what's coming with the end of the world - the Antichrist, mass persecution, moral apostasy, etc. We still technically wouldn't know when the world will end by just the fact that it will end in 6000 years.

I don't know of any consensus of the Fathers that says exactly how long before Christ returns.
 
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A Book by Fr. Seraphim Rose on the subject :

Genesis, Creation and Early Man: The Orthodox Christian Vision

First Addition

Genesis, Creation, and Early Man by Fr. Serphim Rose

https://www.amazon.com/Genesis-Crea...9ENG1VK0ZN4&psc=1&refRID=AKKDBJNRW9ENG1VK0ZN4


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And The Second Addition

https://www.amazon.com/Genesis-Creation-Early-Seraphim-Rose/dp/1887904255/ref=sr_1_3?qid=1557626766&refinements=p_27:Fr.+Seraphim+Rose&s=books&sr=1-3&text=Fr.+Seraphim+Rose


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From :
https://twitter.com/AudioScribeOW/status/1349952064441389057



The icon reads: “Evolution is the key to the philosophy of Antichrist.”

This is a paraphrase of Fr. Seraphim’s words that perfectly captures a big reason why a proper understanding of Genesis and Creation matters for us today.


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From "Genesis, Creation and Early Man: The Orthodox Christian Vision" -
by : Blessed Fr. Seraphim Rose :

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