some christians sell christian music in the street without permission

[want-love]

and they earn money with this
it's a for of evangelism but they didn't produce that music

 

[woobadooba]

If they are selling it without permission, then they are stealing from the artists and producers who created the music.

 

[want-love]

If they are selling it without permission, then they are stealing from the artists and producers who created the music.

they are brothers and sisters and think they are doing something good for jesus spreading christian music

 

[woobadooba]

they are brothers and sisters and think they are doing something good for jesus spreading christian music

Who they are and what they think is irrelevant here: if they are violating an artist's copyright by selling his or her music for profit (without permission), then they are breaking the law.

 

[Anguspure]

they are brothers and sisters and think they are doing something good for jesus spreading christian music

Doing something for Jesus and lining their own pockets at the expense of a professional artist while doing so? A bit of a conflict of interest one might say.
If they simply wished to do something for Jesus, which is a great thing, they would at the very least not make a profit for themselves. Even better, as brothers and sisters, they would ensure that the interests of their artist brother or sister were met at the same time.

 

[Amazing Horse]

and they earn money with this
it's a for of evangelism but they didn't produce that music

James 2:10
If you lied at least once in your life that is as bad as having sex with harlot or stealing by pirating songs.

 

[Anguspure]

James 2:10
If you lied at least once in your life that is as bad as having sex with harlot or stealing by pirating songs.

As far as guilt under the law is concerned, yes this is correct. But as far as negative consequence for the ones sinned against? I think not.

 

[Amazing Horse]

As far as guilt under the law is concerned, yes this is correct. But as far as negative consequence for the ones sinned against? I think not.

But you should forgive him that he is sinning as christian and not call police to judge him .

 

[Anguspure]

But you should forgive him that he is sinning as christian and not call police to judge him .

Yes, of course we should deal with our problem family in the biblical manner. First we approach them in private, then we bring along a witness, then we bring the problem before the Church.
Turning a person over to the authorities is for repeated deliberate and unrepentant action, and this in the hope that they might then come back after having suffered for a while.

 

[Catherineanne]

and they earn money with this
it's a for of evangelism but they didn't produce that music

That is not evangelism, it is theft.

 

[Catherineanne]

they are brothers and sisters and think they are doing something good for jesus spreading christian music

It doesn't matter what they think. It is theft.

 

[Catherineanne]

But you should forgive him that he is sinning as christian and not call police to judge him .

There is no need to forgive anyone who is not repentant; that is a misrepresentation of what Christian forgiveness is all about.

Christians who repent are still liable to face the legal consequences of their actions; we do not get a 'Get Out of Jail Free' card simply by saying sorry.

If anyone stealing does not stop, repent and make restitution to those they have stolen from then informing the police would seem to be the next appropriate step.

 

[Catherineanne]

Yes, of course we should deal with our problem family in the biblical manner. First we approach them in private, then we bring along a witness, then we bring the problem before the Church.
Turning a person over to the authorities is for repeated deliberate and unrepentant action, and this in the hope that they might then come back after having suffered for a while.

No; none of that nonsense. When we are pretty sure an actual crime has been committed then we need to inform the authorities first, not six months later.

If we know a crime has been committed and we do not tell the authorities then we become accessories and liable to prosecution. It will be small comfort that we followed a 'Biblical' model when we are languishing in jail for a couple of years as a result.

 

[Catherineanne]

But you should forgive him that he is sinning as christian and not call police to judge him .

The police do not judge; they investigate. The judiciary judges.

 

[Anguspure]

No; none of that nonsense. When we are pretty sure an actual crime has been committed then we need to inform the authorities first, not six months later.

If we know a crime has been committed and we do not tell the authorities then we become accessories and liable to prosecution. It will be small comfort that we followed a 'Biblical' model when we are languishing in jail for a couple of years as a result.

While agree that the avoidance of discomfort is important I do believe (under the guidance of the Spirit in the given situation) that it is important that the recommended biblical guidance is followed for the sake of the relationship with the offender.

It is important that we realise that the authorities have a role to play and that role is strictly adversarial and not merciful towards a person who may have committed a crime. To hand a person over to the authorities is to hand a person over to the adversary.

Our Father is in the first case merciful and then finally, with the unrepentant, He is just. We should follow His example and seek a reason for mercy before we throw a Loved one to the fires of justice.

 

[Anguspure]

The police do not judge; they investigate. The judiciary judges.

Police investigate and present a prosecution on the grounds of the law. The police and the prosecution lawyers that support them certainly do judge in the sense that their job is to judge whether and seek a conviction for a crime that may have been committed.
It is up to the Judge to discern whether their judgement is valid or not, and whether His gift of pardon has been accepted.

 

[woobadooba]

It is important that we realise that the authorities have a role to play and that role is strictly adversarial and not merciful towards a person who may have committed a crime. To hand a person over to the authorities is to hand a person over to the adversary.

Your words seem to conflict with Scripture.

"Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. For he is God's minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God's minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil." Romans 13:2-4 (NKJV)

I don't see anything in what Paul said about lawful authorities being adversaries.

 

[woobadooba]

Yes, of course we should deal with our problem family in the biblical manner. First we approach them in private, then we bring along a witness, then we bring the problem before the Church.
Turning a person over to the authorities is for repeated deliberate and unrepentant action, and this in the hope that they might then come back after having suffered for a while.

There is a difference between settling petty differences and dealing with actual crimes.

 

[SkyWriting]

and they earn money with this
it's a for of evangelism but they didn't produce that music

There is music that you pay for, and music that you steal or resell illegally. This is dishonest.

Deuteronomy 25:13-16 "You shall not have in your bag two kinds of weights, a large and a small. You shall not have in your house two kinds of measures, a large and a small. A full and just weight you shall have, a full and just measure you shall have; that your days may be prolonged in the land which the LORD your God gives you. For all who do such things, all who act dishonestly, are an abomination to the LORD your God."

 

[Phil 1:21]

If we treated theft of intellectual property the same as theft of tangible property, there'd be a lot fewer people doing it.